ZL1 / CTS-V Brakes

[matthewo]

i just signed up to post a comment about the cts-v brakes.

hi guys, i have a pontiac g8 and did the 6 piston cts-v swap. the rear required a bracket and parking brake shoes for the g8 so i havent done that yet.

here is a picture of the front, as you can see the caliper is kinda crooked just like yours, but the pad seems to line up almost perfectly, much better then the camaro seems to.

anyways. as you can guess this is a huge upgrade in performance as far as the g8 goes with a 12.5" rotors up front and 2 piston fixed calipers up front. going from a total of 6 pistons on the car to 20, with the complete cts-v front and rear upgrade... and the g8 is 4000lbs...



here are a few other pictures...

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by matthewo

i just signed up to post a comment about the cts-v brakes.

hi guys, i have a pontiac g8 and did the 6 piston cts-v swap. the rear required a bracket and parking brake shoes for the g8 so i havent done that yet.

here is a picture of the front, as you can see the caliper is kinda crooked just like yours, but the pad seems to line up almost perfectly, much better then the camaro seems to.

anyways. as you can guess this is a huge upgrade in performance as far as the g8 goes with a 12.5" rotors up front and 2 piston fixed calipers up front. going from a total of 6 pistons on the car to 20, with the complete cts-v front and rear upgrade... and the g8 is 4000lbs...



here are a few other pictures...

Looks great. Where did you get them from and what did you pay?

On any G8 boards? I am on a few.

[matthewo]

Yes im on both g8board and grrrr8. I picked up 2 sets locally. From two totalled low milage ctsv. Im probably going to be selling the other set

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by matthewo

Yes im on both g8board and grrrr8. I picked up 2 sets locally. From two totalled low milage ctsv. Im probably going to be selling the other set

I am as well. I sent you a PM

[Bruce@raymondsperformance]

We have been running this brake set up on our road racing camaro with zero problems,I'm sure you are going to like them.

[TinyToasta]

Originally Posted by monstertodd

Pete would the distance between the calipers and the spokes be less or more? I have what seems like RAZOR thin distance between my spokes and OEM calipers.

Originally Posted by JusticePete

They SS and CTS-V are almost the the same. The spokes are close. Razor close sounds a bit too close. You should be fine, BUT a quick call to Forgeline will confirm you have the correct offset. When Dav Schardt (owner Forgeline) and I did my Camaro wheel and tire fitment we had no idea how many sets would be sold. Forgeline knows the Camaro and various brake and wheel combinations inside and out. Give them a call.

I really need to pick up this point here. I'm looking into the CTS-V updgrade, but I'm not certain if the brakes will clear my wheels (Vossen CV1 22'').

So my question would be:
how much would these brakes come closer to the (e.g.) stock SS wheels? Currently it's not really a "Razor Distance" between the spokes and the OEM calipers, but tight anyway. Is there a way to measure the reduced distance of the calipers to the wheels?

I'm willing to take the risk here and try it anyways, but things are getting complicated when trying to return parts from across the pond (Germany), so any help would be appreciated

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by TinyToasta

I really need to pick up this point here. I'm looking into the CTS-V updgrade, but I'm not certain if the brakes will clear my wheels (Vossen CV1 22'').

So my question would be:
how much would these brakes come closer to the (e.g.) stock SS wheels? Currently it's not really a "Razor Distance" between the spokes and the OEM calipers, but tight anyway. Is there a way to measure the reduced distance of the calipers to the wheels?

I'm willing to take the risk here and try it anyways, but things are getting complicated when trying to return parts from across the pond (Germany), so any help would be appreciated

Your rim offset will tell you how much closer you are.

[JusticePete]

To drive a 5th Gen fast you want stability and predictability in your handling. That starts at the foundational level with bushes. We want the arms to articulate freely, but within a tighter operational range. The amount of lateral movement in the 5th Gen lower rear arm with OE bushes and even with Pedders bushes is to great when you are looking for 1/10th or a 100th in a corner. We'll be testing this banded thrust bearing system this weekend. It is going to shift the load and our testing is designed to find out where ans what if anything we break on the Raymond's Performance Camaro and the L/28. Our best guess is that the arm will fatigue and we'll need to replace the lower control arms frequently. If that is all that we find, swapping out lower controls arms will cost less than the fluid changes between events. The track is not forgiving, it will tell us we are brilliant or idiots this weekend.





While we are on the subject of lower control arms, here is a how to on removal of the OEM lower inner control arm bush.



The OEM rear trailing arm bush is great for driving in the 8/10ths range. Pushed to 10/10ths or 11/10ths it allows too much movement creating instability. Installing a steel jacketed bush into the knuckle position requires it be removed from the car. Once off the car, the installation is straight forward. The increase in stability is enormous. You can see why in these pictures and the video.








Brought to you by Pedders. You know, the company without real engineers or testing program that just sells stuff

[BaylorCamaro]

Not to necro this thread, BUT I'm thinking about doing this. Since there hasn't been any posts for the better half of 6 months has anyone had any issues?

I'm thinking about jumping on this JDP CTS-V brake package: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171447

Just curious what other C5 members have experienced.

[JusticePete]

We ran the CTS-V brakes on Bruce Raymond's Camaro for the OPTIMA events this past season. They were excellent. This should come as no surprise to anyone as we thoroughly tested this on the Pedders USA Camaro and the production ZL1 runs the same brakes.

[BaylorCamaro]

Thanks for the reply. I was just curious since this thread was created WELL before the ZL1. Didn't know if things had changed since the ZL1 came out.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

Thanks for the reply. I was just curious since this thread was created WELL before the ZL1. Didn't know if things had changed since the ZL1 came out.

Only the logo on the caliper

[Bruce@raymondsperformance]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

We ran the CTS-V brakes on Bruce Raymond's Camaro for the OPTIMA events this past season. They were excellent. This should come as no surprise to anyone as we thoroughly tested this on the Pedders USA Camaro and the production ZL1 runs the same brakes.

We keep them instock,If you need a set for your camaro.They work very well.We also have custom brake pad compounds for road racing to work with the CTSV/ZL1 calipers.

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Only the logo on the caliper

Actually, on a technical note the calipers are installed "upside down" of sorts on the ZL1. If you look at a ZL1 caliper, the bleeders and lines swapped to the other end.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

Actually, on a technical note the calipers are installed "upside down" of sorts on the ZL1. If you look at a ZL1 caliper, the bleeders and lines swapped to the other end.

Fair point. Since you you can flip the bleeders and bridge pipe I didn't mention it.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Bruce@raymondsperformance

We keep them instock,If you need a set for your camaro.They work very well.We also have custom brake pad compounds for road racing to work with the CTSV/ZL1 calipers.

Bruce can you post pictures of your slotted motors and 5th Gen SS black matching finish?

[Bruce@raymondsperformance]

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[Synner]

Rotors were a black friday find. Although I'm pissed they're not true 2-piece with replaceable rings but $1150+ for RB 2-piece is too much scratch.
$845 for calipers/pads/lines/hardware, $600 for rotors. Dual casts would save a few hundred but these should handle the heat better.

Me likey. Is it racin season yet?

Waiting on powdercoat/decals next month to mount it all. Pads and lines showed up this week.

[JusticePete]

Almost everyday in Texas!

[Synner]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Almost everyday in Texas!

Yeah well military says embrace the suck so its DC for 2 more years. Hoping for the sandbox in a couple months so I can get some forgeline money.

Has your 20x10.5 setup been working out ok now that you've had it for a while? I would like 305 Goodyear G2's all around if I can. I know you prefer the 19" RE-11 setup but I need the ground clearance since this will be a dual use setup. Finances aren't going to allow for 2 setups so I need a bit of a compromise. I don't want to step down to a 285/305 non-square setup if I don't have to.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Synner

Yeah well military says embrace the suck so its DC for 2 more years. Hoping for the sandbox in a couple months so I can get some forgeline money.

Has your 20x10.5 setup been working out ok now that you've had it for a while? I would like 305 Goodyear G2's all around if I can. I know you prefer the 19" RE-11 setup but I need the ground clearance since this will be a dual use setup. Finances aren't going to allow for 2 setups so I need a bit of a compromise. I don't want to step down to a 285/305 non-square setup if I don't have to.

the GY 305/35/20s are hard in the inner fender liner. We started with the self clearancing program, but should have used the zip tie back the inner fender program. A 305/20/20 would not rub. Bridgestone RE70 would be awesome with a 140 Tread Wear There is a Pirellie P Zero Max Porsche Spec tire in that size as well.

I really like the 19s, but you are right about the ground clearance. They drop the car an inch from stock at the wheel.

[Synner]

Does it rub at the center of the wheel on the liner? I can always cut a chunk out and put a light coat of undercoat in there. Or if its at full lock I doubt its an issue because its not a daily driver. Do you mean the 305/30? I don't see a 20.

What I don't want to do is be limited to a single tire brand/size that they discontinue the week after I drop 5k on wheels. Somehow thats my luck. Although I know I can always drop down to a 285 for more options but then I'd rather hold out for a 19" option to stay 305 square.

[Synner]

The increase in perceived gear ratio will be a bigger benefit. Forgelines are a very light wheel to begin with so it won't be as huge of a difference. I just can't go too short because this is a car I drive to the track and on weekends, no trailer queen status for me.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Synner

Does it rub at the center of the wheel on the liner? I can always cut a chunk out and put a light coat of undercoat in there. Or if its at full lock I doubt its an issue because its not a daily driver. Do you mean the 305/30? I don't see a 20.

What I don't want to do is be limited to a single tire brand/size that they discontinue the week after I drop 5k on wheels. Somehow thats my luck. Although I know I can always drop down to a 285 for more options but then I'd rather hold out for a 19" option to stay 305 square.

It rubs at the edges when the wheels are turned close to wheel lock. Currently in the 305/20 you have Bridgestone and Pirelli. In a 295/30/20 you have Continental, Pirelli and Michelin. The Michelin selection looks good with the new Super Sport.

[Synner]

Cool, if its near lock I don't care. If I'm at full lock on the track I've got bigger issues going on. A tire wall would have gotten in the way of the short-cut I'm trying out.