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Old 07-20-2012, 10:13 AM   #18
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I have not driven a 13 manual but have driven another car with hill assist ant it generaly worked like this

1. You hold the brake push in the clutch and go into first
2. You let go of the brake And switch over to the gas
3 you leave like if it was flat and the car will do the rest.

Realistically speaking it should only take anyone that was had practice 2 seconds to switch from the brake to the gas and ease of the clutch. My 12 cruze and 10 camaro booth don't have it but I just use the emergency break. I rather save my rear bumper and be safe than wear the hell out of my clutch and roll backwards
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:40 PM   #19
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Our sonic has it. It caused me to get rear ended at a stop light. It caused me to stall the engine taking off and the car behind me hit me. Idiot took off too. Didn't stop to see if we were ok or had any damage. Luckilly there was only some minor scratches on the rear bumper.
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:50 PM   #20
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One comment about using the parking brake on a hill. I drive in San Francisco very often and there are some hills there that even us old guys that have been driving sticks for 50 years use the parking brake!
I've only had my 2010 SS M6 for about three months now. I hadn't driven a stick in forever. I love this car but am realizing I'm not the best stick driver around and may never be; guess I'm just a defective human being.
The thought of having to drive a manual in SF is terrifying. Was there on vaca with my wife a few years ago and can't imagine dealing with some of those steep inclines on a regular basis.
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:19 PM   #21
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Interesting....in the Camaro pressing on the accelerator does not release the hill assist
Are you sure? I would think that once the accelerator is pressed that it would deactivate?
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:20 PM   #22
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OK, any more '13 M6 owners want to speak up on this?

My current drive (2009 BMW 128i) has Hill Assist and it works seamlessly... as soon as the clutch bites, the brakes release... no need to use any more gas than you'd expect for such a hill, compared with just using the handbrake.

Given that the handbrake in a Camaro is stupidly on the passenger side of the tunnel and therefore hardly optimised for smooth hill-starts, these concerns... concern me!
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:30 PM   #23
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I think it is a neat feature to have....

I've been driving stick for years, and don't need it, but it will be nice for those steep hills w/ the asshole riding your ass at the red light.
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:33 PM   #24
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I think it is a neat feature to have....

I've been driving stick for years, and don't need it, but it will be nice for those steep hills w/ the asshole riding your ass at the red light.
I thought so too, but I don't believe it should still hold the brake once you are moving.
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:37 PM   #25
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It'd be a nice feature for sure. However these cars have so much power that if you slowly let the clutch engage it won't roll backward, nor will it stall. It'll very slowly start to creep forward and you just give it gas.

However, this feature would be great if it works for reverse. For whatever reason, my clutch hates it when I back up a steep hill. If you feather it at all you're rewarded with a great burning clutch smell.
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:43 PM   #26
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Are you sure? I would think that once the accelerator is pressed that it would deactivate?

Definitely does NOT deactivate when the accelerator is pressed. It's possible it does so at a certain threshold (RPM) but as said earlier, I generally don't go above 1000 RPM when starting, so maybe I am not reaching that threshold. Just by pressing the accelerator to deactivate does not make a lot of sense to me, though...unless it is tied to the motion of the car. If I gave it plenty of gas but hardly released the clutch it seems the car would still roll, thus negating the feature. Just my two cents worth.
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:45 PM   #27
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It'd be a nice feature for sure. However these cars have so much power that if you slowly let the clutch engage it won't roll backward, nor will it stall. It'll very slowly start to creep forward and you just give it gas.

However, this feature would be great if it works for reverse. For whatever reason, my clutch hates it when I back up a steep hill. If you feather it at all you're rewarded with a great burning clutch smell.
FYI...this feature DOES work in reverse on the 2013 Camaro.
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:56 PM   #28
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FYI...this feature DOES work in reverse on the 2013 Camaro.
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:28 PM   #29
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If it were like the one I have in my Subaru where it disengages at a certain point when letting the clutch back in, then it'd be cool. However it sounds like it's more complicated then that, so not much of a step forward.

That said, I've only a couple of hills that I am ever on that would see much benefit. It is annoying to have the auto people on my tail, though, so I usually do some rocking at a light.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:10 PM   #30
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The way I see it, the biggest fear for manual transmission drivers are hills. It takes practice to do a perfect start without roasting the clutch, rolling backwards (or forwards) and/or stalling the vehicle. What better way to eliminate a large fear, improve safety, and make manual transmissions more "loveable" in a market that typically doesn't favor them. GM did a very good thing here.

I've been driving manual trans cars for years and while I don't really NEED a parking brake or hill assist program to help me, I've fallen in love with this feature. Especially in a Jeep, it keeps it from rocking or rolling back into objects/rocks when wheeling.

In a way I wish my 2011 SS had this. I made posts about it a long time ago...maybe GM saw them and listened, or finally caught on to the competition, who knows. But, I guess my SS will just keep me in good practice for the "do-it-yourself" hill starts
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:04 PM   #31
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I had this on my 2007 Mini Cooper S, the "hill assist" would disengage with forward movement or 1.5 sec which ever came first... i loved it , and it saves "slippin" the hell out of the clutch
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:22 PM   #32
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:39 PM   #33
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I still would like to hear from any other '13 M6 owners on this.

My question is whether the brakes release AS SOON AS the clutch bites, or if you always have to wait the full 2 seconds after taking your foot off the brake.

My 2009 BMW 128i behaves the first way, as did the 1997 Subaru Impreza I had for a while a few years ago. Intuitively, this seems like how it should work, and after 25 years of driving other manual cars without it, it never gave me cause to think in either car.

The other way seems stupid, as (a) it makes you wait, and (b) you're STILL going to have to sit there with the clutch biting (and therefore wearing out) otherwise you're still going to roll back when the brakes DO come off!

I've found posts on the Chevy Sonic forums which apparently has the same system, but they're not clear on this point either.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:58 PM   #34
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If it doesn't release when the clutch starts to pull the car forward then perhaps it is just a software issue that they can correct?
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