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Old 07-20-2012, 01:43 PM   #26
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Are you sure? I would think that once the accelerator is pressed that it would deactivate?

Definitely does NOT deactivate when the accelerator is pressed. It's possible it does so at a certain threshold (RPM) but as said earlier, I generally don't go above 1000 RPM when starting, so maybe I am not reaching that threshold. Just by pressing the accelerator to deactivate does not make a lot of sense to me, though...unless it is tied to the motion of the car. If I gave it plenty of gas but hardly released the clutch it seems the car would still roll, thus negating the feature. Just my two cents worth.
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:45 PM   #27
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It'd be a nice feature for sure. However these cars have so much power that if you slowly let the clutch engage it won't roll backward, nor will it stall. It'll very slowly start to creep forward and you just give it gas.

However, this feature would be great if it works for reverse. For whatever reason, my clutch hates it when I back up a steep hill. If you feather it at all you're rewarded with a great burning clutch smell.
FYI...this feature DOES work in reverse on the 2013 Camaro.
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:56 PM   #28
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FYI...this feature DOES work in reverse on the 2013 Camaro.
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:28 PM   #29
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If it were like the one I have in my Subaru where it disengages at a certain point when letting the clutch back in, then it'd be cool. However it sounds like it's more complicated then that, so not much of a step forward.

That said, I've only a couple of hills that I am ever on that would see much benefit. It is annoying to have the auto people on my tail, though, so I usually do some rocking at a light.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:10 PM   #30
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The way I see it, the biggest fear for manual transmission drivers are hills. It takes practice to do a perfect start without roasting the clutch, rolling backwards (or forwards) and/or stalling the vehicle. What better way to eliminate a large fear, improve safety, and make manual transmissions more "loveable" in a market that typically doesn't favor them. GM did a very good thing here.

I've been driving manual trans cars for years and while I don't really NEED a parking brake or hill assist program to help me, I've fallen in love with this feature. Especially in a Jeep, it keeps it from rocking or rolling back into objects/rocks when wheeling.

In a way I wish my 2011 SS had this. I made posts about it a long time ago...maybe GM saw them and listened, or finally caught on to the competition, who knows. But, I guess my SS will just keep me in good practice for the "do-it-yourself" hill starts
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:04 PM   #31
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I had this on my 2007 Mini Cooper S, the "hill assist" would disengage with forward movement or 1.5 sec which ever came first... i loved it , and it saves "slippin" the hell out of the clutch
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:22 PM   #32
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:39 PM   #33
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I still would like to hear from any other '13 M6 owners on this.

My question is whether the brakes release AS SOON AS the clutch bites, or if you always have to wait the full 2 seconds after taking your foot off the brake.

My 2009 BMW 128i behaves the first way, as did the 1997 Subaru Impreza I had for a while a few years ago. Intuitively, this seems like how it should work, and after 25 years of driving other manual cars without it, it never gave me cause to think in either car.

The other way seems stupid, as (a) it makes you wait, and (b) you're STILL going to have to sit there with the clutch biting (and therefore wearing out) otherwise you're still going to roll back when the brakes DO come off!

I've found posts on the Chevy Sonic forums which apparently has the same system, but they're not clear on this point either.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:58 PM   #34
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If it doesn't release when the clutch starts to pull the car forward then perhaps it is just a software issue that they can correct?
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:43 PM   #35
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Just an observation...never had a hill assist...always had manuals...its a good idea...from the posts here it seems if you are at 1k rpm, there is no hold/delay in the brake releasing to go forward...I think I could live with that...If it's steep enough to need the hill assist, then 1k rpm sounds about right to avoid stalling or going backward...Some of us can do it with less rpms, but maybe not everybody with the ss motor...I stalled mine a lot at first, at low rpm, even on flats...just sayin'...
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:51 PM   #36
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Have 350 miles on our 2013 2SS with Hurst and the hill assist is incredible. My wife and I love this car and will post pictures soon. The 2013 Camaro has won our hearts. We are Camaro virgins living a dream right now. Simply can't get enough of watching people turn there heads to look. OUR 13 SS Inferno Orange, Hurst shifter, Black stripes, Dual exhaust (incredible sound) is simply the greatest car ever manufactured. I just want to go on and on... we havn't slept in over week since getting it. We run into each other in the garage at all hours of the night just looking at it.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:55 PM   #37
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If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the brake disengage when you either let the clutch out or hit the gas? I drove a fuzion (yeah fail I know, but it was a loaner car) and it had the hill assist thing. I honestly never noticed it. But it's a lot of flatland around here too...
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:30 AM   #38
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Have 350 miles on our 2013 2SS with Hurst and the hill assist is incredible. My wife and I love this car and will post pictures soon. The 2013 Camaro has won our hearts. We are Camaro virgins living a dream right now. Simply can't get enough of watching people turn there heads to look. OUR 13 SS Inferno Orange, Hurst shifter, Black stripes, Dual exhaust (incredible sound) is simply the greatest car ever manufactured. I just want to go on and on... we havn't slept in over week since getting it. We run into each other in the garage at all hours of the night just looking at it.

"We run into each other in the garage at all hours...", is that what the kids are calling it these days? Hey, whatever you and the missus do to keep your marriage fresh is none of our business. Enjoy.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:50 AM   #39
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Is there a way to deactivate the feature? Is it part of Stabilitrak? Sorry bad spelling

On page 9-39 in your owner's manual it states:

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The vehicle has an electronic stability control system called StabiliTrak. It is an advanced computer controlled system that assists with directional control of the vehicle in difficult driving conditions. StabiliTrak activates when the computer senses a discrepancy between the intended path and the direction the vehicle is actually traveling. StabiliTrak selectively applies braking pressure at any one of the vehicle's brakes to help steer the vehicle in the direction which you are steering.

To turn the system off, press and release the TCS/StabiliTrak button located on the console in front of the shift lever.

However, it does not state whether or not hill assist is involved in this function.

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:24 PM   #41
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Definitely does NOT deactivate when the accelerator is pressed. It's possible it does so at a certain threshold (RPM) but as said earlier, I generally don't go above 1000 RPM when starting, so maybe I am not reaching that threshold. Just by pressing the accelerator to deactivate does not make a lot of sense to me, though...unless it is tied to the motion of the car. If I gave it plenty of gas but hardly released the clutch it seems the car would still roll, thus negating the feature. Just my two cents worth.
have you ever been on a steep hill? And I usually ring my car up about 2k Rpms at least, otherwise the shift to second is gonna big pretty damn bad...
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:51 PM   #42
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Looks like all the bay area people are speaking up. SF is a horrible place to drive a stick. The people behind you are the worst.
Steve mcqueen in his 68 mustang and bad guy in the 68 charger seemed to have no problem driving sticks in san franciso.



Check out the 28 Chevy Sedan at 2:15 in. Probably was a daily driver then.

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I doubt the hill assist in the camaro works different from all the other hill assists out there. I would be very surprised if it still held the brake if you were already moving. There is no way chevy would make you wait 2 seconds. I may be wrong, but I doubt they would blunder like this.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:52 PM   #44
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A step back in my opinion. I've only had the car three days but I do NOT like this feature. I haven't stalled a manual car on a hill in over 20 years, but I've stalled this one half a dozen times. If anyone can figure out how to turn this feature off I'd love to know.
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:10 PM   #45
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Since someone resurrected this thread I thought I will give a personal update after having the car a month. I have adjusted to the hill start assist (since I can't disable it ) and we are getting along fine. I have finally broken my old habits and now leisurely wait the couple of seconds and take off gracefully from the stop. Sometimes I get in a little bit of a hurry and try to take off early and notice that the engine just bogs down so I wait a little longer and all is well. I haven't had anyone honk at me for my slow starts even though I think some were about to. Basically, if you can't beat them, join them. I can't believe how mellow I have gotten in my old age!
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:11 PM   #46
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I have a 2013 and have been driving clutches on and off for over 35 years. The hill assist on the surface is good but if you are used to low rpm take offs to conserve the clutch this sucks. I knew about the hill assist and still killed it twice in one day. I am still trying to figure my work around kind of like the skip shift (don't shift below 20 mph)
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:59 PM   #47
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I am still trying to figure my work around kind of like the skip shift (don't shift below 20 mph)
I have yet to encounter the skip shift in my car. I guess my driving style doesn't lend itself to the skip shift engagement.

It seems like there must be a way to defeat the hill start assist. There must be a sensor that determines when the car is on a grade. All you would have to do is bypass the sensor. It seems like the guys that developed the skip shift eliminator could come up with a solution.
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On page 9-39 in your owner's manual it states:
To turn the system off, press and release the TCS/StabiliTrak button located on the console in front of the shift lever.

However, it does not state whether or not hill assist is involved in this function.

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That helps exactly zero.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:16 PM   #49
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Since someone resurrected this thread I thought I will give a personal update after having the car a month. I have adjusted to the hill start assist (since I can't disable it ) and we are getting along fine. I have finally broken my old habits and now leisurely wait the couple of seconds and take off gracefully from the stop. Sometimes I get in a little bit of a hurry and try to take off early and notice that the engine just bogs down so I wait a little longer and all is well. I haven't had anyone honk at me for my slow starts even though I think some were about to. Basically, if you can't beat them, join them. I can't believe how mellow I have gotten in my old age!
This just makes no sense whatsoever. the point of "hill assist" should be to stop rolling back if you take your foot off the brake AND ARE NOT DEPRESSING THE ACCELERATOR. Once pressing the accelerator, if it does not release the brake, it just became incredibly lame, and potentially dangerous. Can we not get someone from GM (who knows) to respond to this? Crike, I was about to order a 2013 manual, why must there always be some problem?
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This just makes no sense whatsoever. the point of "hill assist" should be to stop rolling back if you take your foot off the brake AND ARE NOT DEPRESSING THE ACCELERATOR. Once pressing the accelerator, if it does not release the brake, it just became incredibly lame, and potentially dangerous. Can we not get someone from GM (who knows) to respond to this? Crike, I was about to order a 2013 manual, why must there always be some problem?
lol...just a sign of the times, brother...don't know how to back-up?...we'll put in a camera...don't know how to check your blind spot?...we'll do it for you...don't know how to drive up a hill?...we'll do it for you...etc., etc...lol
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