Why?

[KamaroKid9614]

I'm sorry if this is a re-post but can anyone tell me why the ZL1 is only going to be limit production?

[Bad@ssCamaro]

I know that was for last MY. For MY13,as whats been stated previously, they will build to demand, no limit on production since they have a full model year to build. If your getting that from a dealership or salesman that there is a limited production, they are misinformed. What makes it complicated is the allocation system, which makes it appear they are limited, especially when certain dealerships receive more allocations than others based on sales volume.

From what I recall, Oshawa is able to produce about 300-400 ZL1's a week. If you exclude shutdown periods(not sure how many, I estimate about 4 weeks), on a conservative estimate that would be 14,400 ZL1's that Oshawa is capable of producing in one year. Far from limited production. I know the plant has the potential to roll a car off the assembly line one every minute and that is with the other cars that they build there.

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

I know that was for last MY. For MY13,as whats been stated previously, they will build to demand, no limit on production since they have a full model year to build. If your getting that from a dealership or salesman that there is a limited production, they are misinformed. What makes it complicated is the allocation system, which makes it appear they are limited, especially when certain dealerships receive more allocations than others based on sales volume.

From what I recall, Oshawa is able to produce about 300-400 ZL1's a week. If you exclude shutdown periods(not sure how many, I estimate about 4 weeks), on a conservative estimate that would be 14,400 ZL1's that Oshawa is capable of producing in one year. Far from limited production. I know the plant has the potential to roll a car off the assembly line one every minute and that is with the other cars that they build there.

From what I saw over in the order tracking thread, we're already at a VIN in the 11000s

[silverds]

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

From what I saw over in the order tracking thread, we're already at a VIN in the 11000s

Maybe for MY2013 Cars total but definitely not for sequentially numbered ZL1's.

By the end of this week, I'll be suprised if they have reached 1000 MY2013 ZL1's since June 11, 2012.

[radz28]

ZL1 is not limited in the true sense. They will produce what demand is. 2012 was just a really short run because ZL1 came on line very late in the model year.

[Beechdoctor]

Demand for a $60K car will limit production.....

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by Beechdoctor

Demand for a $60K car will limit production.....

THIS +100 Why would GM want to make 500,000 of these cars just to have them sit on lots unsold? Not everybody can afford a $60k car.

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by KamaroKid9614

I'm sorry if this is a re-post but can anyone tell me why the ZL1 is only going to be limit production?

Because it's not! Only limts are demand and possibly supplier parts limits. I think GM has intentions of building all of them that they can sell. If you want one, order it. I'll bet you get it.

[hognutz]

The limit is part availibily. As someone who has been waiting since nov 15 2011 with a deposite down I would say this car is limited production so far.

2012 was limited and they did not even meet the intial forcast. 2013 is not supposed to be limited but they just finally cleared the 2012 backlog.

It will be intereting to see when this car turns ito say a grand sport where if you want one you just order one.

Right now that is not tha case. they will let you order it but flip a coin as to how mnay months it will take to show up. I think it is allparts availibility right nows. It hink GT500 will outpace ZL1 production if they dont' really ramp up soon.

[HDRDTD]

The ZL1's are production limited, not limited production.

they are not limiting production in order to make it a limited number of cars made, they are making as many of them as demands warrant.

The MY2012 only 1885 retail sales cars (not counting CTF's, etc) were mad only because of the short model year and the extended QC hold.

If they have a demand for say 10,000 MY2013's, and the production line can keep up, then that's how many they'll make.

[cosmoZL1]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

The ZL1's are production limited, not limited production.

they are not limiting production in order to make it a limited number of cars made, they are making as many of them as demands warrant.

The MY2012 only 1885 retail sales cars (not counting CTF's, etc) were mad only because of the short model year and the extended QC hold.

If they have a demand for say 10,000 MY2013's, and the production line can keep up, then that's how many they'll make.

This I will "respectfully disagree" with. The ZL1 remains in limited production. Hear me out, If Chevrolet would make as many cars that were "ordered"?, They would still not have ZL1's in "limited Supply". Dealers are not just taking orders for the ZL1. No matter how many requests you may have, each dealer is still only alloted so many cars, (numbers) in this model year. Soooo, Am I wrong? This is not a gotcha question in any way form or otherwise. Just to my knowlege it's still limited production. Tell me where I'm wrong. Again, NOT SARCASTIC IN ANY WAY!!

Also, The Vin's REMAIN sequential for the ZL1.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by radz28

ZL1 is not limited in the true sense. They will produce what demand is. 2012 was just a really short run because ZL1 came on line very late in the model year.

This.

[OldScoolCamaro]

The ZL1 is limited in a sense by the low dealer allocations. ADM by certain dealers lowers sales, potentially keeping their future allocations down. On the whole, you just don't see one sitting around a dealership. I don't forsee the production levels changing much anytime soon, the ADM's will eventually subside. Seasonal build convertibles will be made in competition with coupes. One will wait in a que for the other depending on the production schedule. There is still a back log of undelivered orders. It is a higher end vehicle for sure, but by what I have read it seems there is still far more demand than supply. The advertising and media exposure has just begun to get the word out to the consumer at large. I think in the end it will not carry over to the anticipated MY '15 Gen 6 model change due to CAFE and the nature of it speciality. So, as the saying goes.... get 'em while their hot. Just my .02....

[2ndCamaro79]

I don't know about the hardtops, but the 2013 verts are like unicorns.

[mechanic1]

most of all this posted info on production stats is bs.........my 2012 rollover is sheduled for build next week..........so there is no way they have built 1000 MY 2013's..........probably less than 400 so far, considering they needed about 500 rollovers..........they can produce them at about 150-180 a week plus they have to build various other car models as well.............If you want a 13 or 14 for sure, I would have an order in now ..........

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by cosmoZL1

This I will "respectfully disagree" with. The ZL1 remains in limited production. Hear me out, If Chevrolet would make as many cars that were "ordered"?, They would still not have ZL1's in "limited Supply". Dealers are not just taking orders for the ZL1. No matter how many requests you may have, each dealer is still only alloted so many cars, (numbers) in this model year. Soooo, Am I wrong? This is not a gotcha question in any way form or otherwise. Just to my knowlege it's still limited production. Tell me where I'm wrong. Again, NOT SARCASTIC IN ANY WAY!!

Also, The Vin's REMAIN sequential for the ZL1.

I agree with this statemnt. not all dealers have allocations. if they were truely building to order like people say every dealer would be able to order them.

they are going to try to build to demand but they have not even cleared demand from 2012 yet. I think they have ~200 cars to build before they have cleared that.

I think there hope is to do what people are talking about but with the parts shortages and QC issues they just don't have the parts to build to demand.

[16floz470ml]

Any car with the gas guzzler tax is going to be limited production.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by cosmoZL1

This I will "respectfully disagree" with. The ZL1 remains in limited production. Hear me out, If Chevrolet would make as many cars that were "ordered"?, They would still not have ZL1's in "limited Supply". Dealers are not just taking orders for the ZL1. No matter how many requests you may have, each dealer is still only alloted so many cars, (numbers) in this model year. Soooo, Am I wrong? This is not a gotcha question in any way form or otherwise. Just to my knowlege it's still limited production. Tell me where I'm wrong. Again, NOT SARCASTIC IN ANY WAY!!

Also, The Vin's REMAIN sequential for the ZL1.

I will also respectfully disagree with you in regards that towards production. GM has not come out and stated they are producing a specific amount of vehicles as they did for MY2012. They have a full year to produce the MY13's and have stated they will build on demand.

In this day and age of technology, the emphasis is on quality and efficiency and doing so requires an orchestrated symphony between suppliers to produce the cars in a JIT fashion.

And for GM to adhere to policies that span across all States, the allocation system creates bottlenecks that make it appear limited in availability. I would say in two to three months you will see more vehicles readily available after production gets into full swing after the recent shutdown and get caught up with orders, not just placed by individuals but by the dealers for their showrooms( those with the volume).

Someone stated that because it's a 60K car it will limit production. Of course it will but not to what most people perceive to be "limited production". For example, do you know what the production level is for the Corvette? Here is a quote from Corvette Blogger for MY 2011:

"It’s one of our favorite times of the year as GM releases the final production statistics for the 2011 model year. As we told you at the beginning of the month, GM’s wrapped up production of the 2011 Corvette in June and the final count for all Corvettes produced in the 2011 model year was 13,596. That was an 11.5% increase over the 12,194 Corvettes sold during the 2010 model year."

Now for a car that can sell from low 50's to in excess of 100K, those aren't considered "limited production". I think we will see the ZL1 be very successful in the marketplace as evidence by the satisfaction of the early adopters, and I for one would not be surprised of sales in excess of 6K for the year.

[adamgl]

My salesman told me my allocation finally came through for my 2012 order from Nov. They better get their shit together fast or '13 will be like '12 and they'll lose a lot more frustrated customers.

[KLR ZL1]

Originally Posted by adamgl

My salesman told me my allocation finally came through for my 2012 order from Nov. They better get their shit together fast or '13 will be like '12 and they'll lose a lot more frustrated customers.

When did they start on your 2012 MY ZL1 since GM stopped making the 2012MY in June? Are you sure you didn't get bumped to 2013 MY since your allocation finally came through? Most salespersons don't have a clue what they are talking about. So if you just got picked up for production then it will be a 13 MY which means you get the upgrades.

[rpepka]

They announced the car, many 2012 orders. They could not get it going fast enough with all the suppliers and their still having many issues getting all the parts. The demand has really backed up. They cant get the parts to build them. Everyone is very upset to have to wait so long and it is very a very difficult and slow process placing an order and actually receiving the car. Heck there are many many that have not received the 2012's they ordered and got carried over into 13. Right now it seems very un-organized. I wish they would get their poop together and focus on getting caught up on these orders. Let someone else wait for a change.

[adamgl]

Originally Posted by KLR ZL1

When did they start on your 2012 MY ZL1 since GM stopped making the 2012MY in June? Are you sure you didn't get bumped to 2013 MY since your allocation finally came through? Most salespersons don't have a clue what they are talking about. So if you just got picked up for production then it will be a 13 MY which means you get the upgrades.

Yes it rolled over to '13 and still didn't move at all for months.

Originally Posted by rpepka

They announced the car, many 2012 orders. They could not get it going fast enough with all the suppliers and their still having many issues getting all the parts. The demand has really backed up. They cant get the parts to build them. Everyone is very upset to have to wait so long and it is very a very difficult and slow process placing an order and actually receiving the car. Heck there are many many that have not received the 2012's they ordered and got carried over into 13. Right now it seems very un-organized. I wish they would get their poop together and focus on getting caught up on these orders. Let someone else wait for a change.

I told them no thanks when my allocation finally came through a few days ago. Already got tired of waiting and bought something else. Wasn't about to wait a full year, spend $60,000 + , get the car in Nov. and have to immediately put the car away for winter.

I wonder how many sales they've lost b'c of the delays / allocation mess. I know of several other than me.

[RJ111]

They have till October to pull my order.I will keep a look out for what I want on dealer lots for a 13 between now and October.If not,I will just wait on the C7.