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Old 07-25-2012, 05:57 PM   #1126
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New one on me. Hadn't seen that.

Road course performance? Pretty close, imho. 1/4-mile? We'll see.

Of course an LS7 and a name change would adequately insure BOTH.
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:16 PM   #1127
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New one on me. Hadn't seen that.

Road course performance? Pretty close, imho. 1/4-mile? We'll see.

Of course an LS7 and a name change would adequately insure BOTH.
Wouldn't expect much in the quarter mile from the 1LE. GM has already stated in the new brochure that the 1LE and regular ole SS have the same time. Plenty quick for me though. I expect the roadcourse numbers to be pretty close to the Boss.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:42 PM   #1128
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New one on me. Hadn't seen that.

Road course performance? Pretty close, imho. 1/4-mile? We'll see.

Of course an LS7 and a name change would adequately insure BOTH.
You, me and everyone here knows an LS7 is never going to see its way into a Gen5 Camaro direct from the factory. I don't understand why people continue to put it out there.
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:20 PM   #1129
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You, me and everyone here knows an LS7 is never going to see its way into a Gen5 Camaro direct from the factory. I don't understand why people continue to put it out there.
Because they know I am right.
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Because they know I am right.
What are you "right" about again?
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What are you "right" about again?
How to build a Z/28. I already have two of them running circles around most everything on track.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:20 PM   #1132
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GM has already stated in the new brochure that the 1LE and regular ole SS have the same time. L
That's how you know it's probably a lie, GM said it. :P I'm going to expect it to be a bit faster than an SS personally.
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:45 AM   #1133
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You, me and everyone here knows an LS7 is never going to see its way into a Gen5 Camaro direct from the factory. I don't understand why people continue to put it out there.
Why? Because it is the best answer to how to build a 5th gen Z/28. How can GM revive the Camaro and leave out the most iconic version of it?
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Old 07-26-2012, 06:03 PM   #1134
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I am updating this information because it looks when I did this calculation I made a mistake. Since the 1LE will be running 285/35-20 on the rear instead of 305/35-20 like the ZL1 it looks like the wheels are 27.9" tall. The SS are 28.7" tall which makes a difference in gearing. If this new information is correct. Here is the updated numbers I got:

Camaro SS:

1st: 54 mph
2nd: 79 mph
3rd: 114 mph
4th: 163 mph
5th: 194 mph
6th: 287 mph

Camaro 1LE:

1st: 53 mph
2nd: 79 mph
3rd: 108mph
4th: 140 mph
5th: 189 mph
6th: 280 mph

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Thank you GM!

I rented a camaro some time ago and my impressions were. Engine: Excellent. Brakes: Excellent. Handling: Good....but not Excellent. However, the ride quality was amazing. Compared to the cars I have it handled like a luxury car which was impressive.

So naturally when they made changes to the suspension in 2012 I was going to get one of those, but now the 1LE package is available on the 2013's which seems exactly what I would want. Since this will be more DD and less track car (for now) I have to ask to make sure I'm making the right choice:

How much harsher are we talking about? The SS that I rented was excellent on bumps. I could live taking it from excellent to good in ride quality for excellent instead of good handling. I just don't know if I want to handle bone jarring.

As for the transmission. Are the cooling and gearing changes all there is or has it been beefed in other ways? Any changes to the syncro's or other parts?

I have also taken a look at the new final ratio and gear ratios and I am not a speed calculating expert, but here is what I got using this calculator. Can someone tell me if this is accurate or if I should go back to math class?

http://www.apexgarage.com/tech/gear_ratios.shtml

I used 27.8544 for the tire diameter, 6,600 for the rpm.

So with the 3.45 Final and the transmission gearing listed for the SS I get max speeds of
1st: 53 mph
2nd: 77 mph
3rd: 111 mph
4th: 159 mph
5th: 189 mph
6th: 278 mph

With the new 3.91 Final and the transmission gearing listed for the 1LE I get max speeds of

1st: 53 mph
2nd: 79 mph
3rd: 108mph
4th: 140 mph
5th: 189 mph
6th: 280 mph

It looks like first gear comes out to exactly the same.

Second gear is actually slightly taller on the 1LE, but very minimal (around 100 rpm)

Third gear is a little shorter on the 1LE, but not much again (around 100 rpm)

Now 4th gear is where you notice the shorter gearing of the 1LE.

The overdrives are pretty much exactly the same as well so it looks like you can still sip fuel in granny mode. Very nice. It looks like this is still a great daily driver.

Of course, that's if my calculations are correct???

My last impression of the rental camaro was that it was too damn quiet and refined, but I can see how some people might like that. I was going to solve that with an aftermarket exhaust, but maybe the dual mode exhaust on the 2013's will be exactly what I wanted stock!
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:29 PM   #1135
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I am updating this information because it looks when I did this calculation I made a mistake. Since the 1LE will be running 285/35-20 on the rear instead of 305/35-20 like the ZL1 it looks like the wheels are 27.9" tall. The SS are 28.7" tall which makes a difference in gearing. If this new information is correct. Here is the updated numbers I got:

Camaro SS:

1st: 54 mph
2nd: 79 mph
3rd: 114 mph
4th: 163 mph
5th: 194 mph
6th: 287 mph

Camaro 1LE:

1st: 53 mph
2nd: 79 mph
3rd: 108mph
4th: 140 mph
5th: 189 mph
6th: 280 mph

If you are correct, the 1/4 times may be slower than an SS. Looks like a shift to fourth will be almost guaranteed and depending on the driver, that will cost time. Of course the improved acceleration may help cover the difference. 3rd and 4th gear is a pretty substantial difference IMO. 3rd and 4th gear in a 1LE should pull a lot harder as you are more likely to stay in the power after a shift than the SS. I really want to see performance numbers now!!!
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:34 PM   #1136
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If you are correct, the 1/4 times may be slower than an SS. Looks like a shift to fourth will be almost guaranteed and depending on the driver, that will cost time. Of course the improved acceleration may help cover the difference. 3rd and 4th gear is a pretty substantial difference IMO. 3rd and 4th gear in a 1LE should pull a lot harder as you are more likely to stay in the power after a shift than the SS. I really want to see performance numbers now!!!
4th is the direct drive gear so with a 3.91 over a 3.45 it's the most affected. About a 500 rpm difference.
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:56 PM   #1137
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I saw a 1/4 time posted somewhere (Car and Driver maybe? )...anyway, it was 12.9
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Old 07-26-2012, 09:11 PM   #1138
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I saw a 1/4 time posted somewhere (Car and Driver maybe? )...anyway, it was 12.9
The 2013 camaro brochure. Since it comes from GM themselves I would be skeptical. We will have to see what the car can do.
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Old 07-26-2012, 09:26 PM   #1139
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And since I am already wasting my time doing this here are some numbers from a certain competitor.

Tire Diameter: 27.03
Redline: 7000

Final Drive: 3.31

1st: 46 mph
2nd: 70 mph
3rd: 101 mph
4th: 129 mph
5th: 170 mph
6th: 262 mph

Final Drive: 3.55

1st: 43 mph
2nd: 65 mph
3rd: 94 mph
4th: 120 mph
5th: 159 mph
6th: 244 mph

Final Drive: 3.73

1st: 41 mph
2nd: 62 mph
3rd: 89 mph
4th: 114 mph
5th: 151 mph
6th: 232 mph
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:19 AM   #1140
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I saw a 1/4 time posted somewhere (Car and Driver maybe? )...anyway, it was 12.9
Yep, the 2013 camaro brochure, 12.9 @ 113mph.
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Yep, the 2013 camaro brochure, 12.9 @ 113mph.
Ya.....I want to see some independent testing. It's exactly the same time as the SS which makes me think they didn't really test it and just put in the SS number as close enough.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:24 PM   #1142
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Ya.....I want to see some independent testing. It's exactly the same time as the SS which makes me think they didn't really test it and just put in the SS number as close enough.
Me to.

I'm sure it will be quicker than a standard SS....

but that is not what it is designed for.

The road course/track is where it will shine
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:45 PM   #1143
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You, me and everyone here knows an LS7 is never going to see its way into a Gen5 Camaro direct from the factory. I don't understand why people continue to put it out there.
I plan to achieve an LS7 level of power in my 1LE for a couple thousand dollar investment at most, which I believe will be a lot less $$ than it would be if GM did it.
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Want your guys opinion here . I'm looking to buy a 2013 SS/RS here soon, collecting a large down payment first . When I found the 1LE it thru a loop in my plans. I really like the looks that the 1LE provides to the camaro, this would be a daily driver and wont see the track so the suspension upgrades are not important to me but they are nice. Im mainly interested in the cosmetics the package provides but I would add the RS package as well. I have wondered How the taller gearing would affect overall time and the figures posted are exactly what I was thinking could happen which I dislike, what would you guys do in this situation ?
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:52 PM   #1145
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Want your guys opinion here . I'm looking to buy a 2013 SS/RS here soon, collecting a large down payment first . When I found the 1LE it thru a loop in my plans. I really like the looks that the 1LE provides to the camaro, this would be a daily driver and wont see the track so the suspension upgrades are not important to me but they are nice. Im mainly interested in the cosmetics the package provides but I would add the RS package as well. I have wondered How the taller gearing would affect overall time and the figures posted are exactly what I was thinking could happen which I dislike, what would you guys do in this situation ?
How important are the wheels to you? For a few hundred bucks you can get the front splitter and sideskirts, and I'm sure it wouldn't cost too much to get a matte black hood wrap if it's just the looks you're after. If you want the wheels too well then you're going to spend as much as the 1LE option costs anyways so you might as well get the 1LE. It'll certainly have a better resale value if you decide to sell it compared to a stock SS.
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Wheels are a big factor as I hate the look of the stock ss wheels
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:57 PM   #1147
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Want your guys opinion here . I'm looking to buy a 2013 SS/RS here soon, collecting a large down payment first . When I found the 1LE it thru a loop in my plans. I really like the looks that the 1LE provides to the camaro, this would be a daily driver and wont see the track so the suspension upgrades are not important to me but they are nice. Im mainly interested in the cosmetics the package provides but I would add the RS package as well. I have wondered How the taller gearing would affect overall time and the figures posted are exactly what I was thinking could happen which I dislike, what would you guys do in this situation ?

What are you concerned with, regarding gear ratios? The rear end gears are shorter in the 1LE, not taller. However, the gearing in the 1LE transmission offsets the shorter gears. In both cars 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th gears will feel the same. Both cars will accelerate from a stop exactly the same. Third and fourth gears will feel different, with fourth being the most noticeable. Fourth gear will feel different because the 1LE will pull harder, but not have as much MPH at redline. The ratio between 4th gear and 5th gear will be greater in the 1LE. Think of it this way; A 6 speed SS will feel like it has 6 evenly spaced gears. The 1LE will feel like a close ratio 4 speed that has two extra overdrive gears for highway use.
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Gotch, I understood it wrong then, so is 5th and 6th going to feel flat then?
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Gotch, I understood it wrong then, so is 5th and 6th going to feel flat then?
4th will get you over 100mph...so 5th and 6th are pretty much irrelevant. The only consideration to be made here is if and how you will be tracking (ie: legitimately racing) the car. If it's not going to see the track, it's a non issue.
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Initially no it won't see any track or strip. But once I get bored and the car isnt as new I will mod it and will see the strip after that.
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