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Old 07-27-2012, 07:19 AM   #1140
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I saw a 1/4 time posted somewhere (Car and Driver maybe? )...anyway, it was 12.9
Yep, the 2013 camaro brochure, 12.9 @ 113mph.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:39 PM   #1141
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Yep, the 2013 camaro brochure, 12.9 @ 113mph.
Ya.....I want to see some independent testing. It's exactly the same time as the SS which makes me think they didn't really test it and just put in the SS number as close enough.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:24 PM   #1142
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Ya.....I want to see some independent testing. It's exactly the same time as the SS which makes me think they didn't really test it and just put in the SS number as close enough.
Me to.

I'm sure it will be quicker than a standard SS....

but that is not what it is designed for.

The road course/track is where it will shine
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:45 PM   #1143
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You, me and everyone here knows an LS7 is never going to see its way into a Gen5 Camaro direct from the factory. I don't understand why people continue to put it out there.
I plan to achieve an LS7 level of power in my 1LE for a couple thousand dollar investment at most, which I believe will be a lot less $$ than it would be if GM did it.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:46 PM   #1144
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Want your guys opinion here . I'm looking to buy a 2013 SS/RS here soon, collecting a large down payment first . When I found the 1LE it thru a loop in my plans. I really like the looks that the 1LE provides to the camaro, this would be a daily driver and wont see the track so the suspension upgrades are not important to me but they are nice. Im mainly interested in the cosmetics the package provides but I would add the RS package as well. I have wondered How the taller gearing would affect overall time and the figures posted are exactly what I was thinking could happen which I dislike, what would you guys do in this situation ?
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:52 PM   #1145
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Want your guys opinion here . I'm looking to buy a 2013 SS/RS here soon, collecting a large down payment first . When I found the 1LE it thru a loop in my plans. I really like the looks that the 1LE provides to the camaro, this would be a daily driver and wont see the track so the suspension upgrades are not important to me but they are nice. Im mainly interested in the cosmetics the package provides but I would add the RS package as well. I have wondered How the taller gearing would affect overall time and the figures posted are exactly what I was thinking could happen which I dislike, what would you guys do in this situation ?
How important are the wheels to you? For a few hundred bucks you can get the front splitter and sideskirts, and I'm sure it wouldn't cost too much to get a matte black hood wrap if it's just the looks you're after. If you want the wheels too well then you're going to spend as much as the 1LE option costs anyways so you might as well get the 1LE. It'll certainly have a better resale value if you decide to sell it compared to a stock SS.
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Old 07-27-2012, 02:22 PM   #1146
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Wheels are a big factor as I hate the look of the stock ss wheels
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:57 PM   #1147
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Want your guys opinion here . I'm looking to buy a 2013 SS/RS here soon, collecting a large down payment first . When I found the 1LE it thru a loop in my plans. I really like the looks that the 1LE provides to the camaro, this would be a daily driver and wont see the track so the suspension upgrades are not important to me but they are nice. Im mainly interested in the cosmetics the package provides but I would add the RS package as well. I have wondered How the taller gearing would affect overall time and the figures posted are exactly what I was thinking could happen which I dislike, what would you guys do in this situation ?

What are you concerned with, regarding gear ratios? The rear end gears are shorter in the 1LE, not taller. However, the gearing in the 1LE transmission offsets the shorter gears. In both cars 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th gears will feel the same. Both cars will accelerate from a stop exactly the same. Third and fourth gears will feel different, with fourth being the most noticeable. Fourth gear will feel different because the 1LE will pull harder, but not have as much MPH at redline. The ratio between 4th gear and 5th gear will be greater in the 1LE. Think of it this way; A 6 speed SS will feel like it has 6 evenly spaced gears. The 1LE will feel like a close ratio 4 speed that has two extra overdrive gears for highway use.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:03 PM   #1148
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Gotch, I understood it wrong then, so is 5th and 6th going to feel flat then?
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:29 PM   #1149
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Gotch, I understood it wrong then, so is 5th and 6th going to feel flat then?
4th will get you over 100mph...so 5th and 6th are pretty much irrelevant. The only consideration to be made here is if and how you will be tracking (ie: legitimately racing) the car. If it's not going to see the track, it's a non issue.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:46 PM   #1150
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Initially no it won't see any track or strip. But once I get bored and the car isnt as new I will mod it and will see the strip after that.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:57 PM   #1151
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Gotch, I understood it wrong then, so is 5th and 6th going to feel flat then?
5th and 6th gear are overdrive gears. They are for fuel economy purposes. They should not be used for acceleration in the quarter.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:08 PM   #1152
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Gotch, I understood it wrong then, so is 5th and 6th going to feel flat then?

They might "feel flat" compared to gears 1 thru 4, but 5th and 6th will feel the same in an SS and a 1LE. The overall ratios are pretty much the same in both cars. The only major difference will be that the ratio from 4th to 5th will be a little more noticeable in the 1LE, than it would be in an SS. If you were to drive both cars on a race track, the difference would be obvious. However, in normal, every-day driving, most people wouldn't notice a difference.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:17 PM   #1153
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They might "feel flat" compared to gears 1 thru 4, but 5th and 6th will feel the same in an SS and a 1LE. The overall ratios are pretty much the same in both cars. The only major difference will be that the ratio from 4th to 5th will be a little more noticeable in the 1LE, than it would be in an SS. If you were to drive both cars on a race track, the difference would be obvious. However, in normal, every-day driving, most people wouldn't notice a difference.
This pretty much sums it up. The difference between first gear in a SS and 1LE is 100 rpm. So if you are traveling at x mph at 3000 rpm in a SS, then to travel at the same speed in a 1LE the engine will need to be spinning 3100 rpm.

Second gear between the two is exactly the same.

Third gear is about a 150 rpm difference.

Fourth gear is a 500 rpm difference which is the most significant.

60 rpm Difference in 5th and 6th gear for the 1LE compared to a SS (very minor).
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:25 PM   #1154
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If you are correct, the 1/4 times may be slower than an SS. Looks like a shift to fourth will be almost guaranteed and depending on the driver, that will cost time. Of course the improved acceleration may help cover the difference. 3rd and 4th gear is a pretty substantial difference IMO. 3rd and 4th gear in a 1LE should pull a lot harder as you are more likely to stay in the power after a shift than the SS. I really want to see performance numbers now!!!
You bring up an interesting point. If they made 3rd gear a little taller, then you would think it would be better in the 1/4 and save you a shift. There are two possibilities. 1. It's a track car and not a drag car so that ratio works out better. 2. We are missing something. Those max speeds are based on the 6600 rpm redline. The hp peak on those motors is 5900 rpm. So maybe it does end up being faster. Time will tell.

If you decide to run a 285/40-20 on the rear instead of a 285/35-20 that would bring it up to 112. If you run a 315/35-20 (the tire will be less stretched on the rim too) then it will be 111.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:32 PM   #1155
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You're going to have to be going "fast" to notice the improvement in 4th compared to the stock SS. On the street I doubt you'll notice it at all because you can't legally go at the speeds necessary to see the benefit of the 1LE's gearing from 3-4. 3rd is going to be slightly better coming out of a corner but 4th is really going to be usable; especially on tracks where you don't have enough room to get into 5th.

Although the ratios are similar in many ways to the SS I suspect the 1LE is going to respond much better to adding power. Get another 100 hp and torque to the rear wheels and the ratios in the 1LE are really going to sparkle.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:39 PM   #1156
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You're going to have to be going "fast" to notice the improvement in 4th compared to the stock SS. On the street I doubt you'll notice it at all because you can't legally go at the speeds necessary to see the benefit of the 1LE's gearing from 3-4. 3rd is going to be slightly better coming out of a corner but 4th is really going to be usable; especially on tracks where you don't have enough room to get into 5th.

Although the ratios are similar in many ways to the SS I suspect the 1LE is going to respond much better to adding power. Get another 100 hp and torque to the rear wheels and the ratios in the 1LE are really going to sparkle.
To be honest I appreciate the time GM took to change the ratios on the 1LE in the transmission instead of just slapping a final drive ratio on there like the mustang. This allows it to preserve fuel economy and driveability on the street while delivering the advantages from lower gearing on the track. I think it's very nicely done.

The mustang, on the other hand, just slaps on a 3.73 final drive on already some really low gearing and that affects all the gears. It essentially makes first gear useless/redundant on the mustang.
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