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Old 07-27-2012, 04:42 PM   #1
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Zl1 vs pro-touring 69 camaro...

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On this episode of HOT ROD Unlimited, David Freiburger meets up with Pro Touring legend Mark Stielow to compare old and new Camaros head to head. Mark Stielow is a GM engineer with a long history of building vintage, street-worthy Camaros with amazing handling prowess. His latest is the Red Devil, a '69 model powered by a 427ci, supercharged LS9 that tops 750 hp and 800 lb-ft. It runs a six-speed trans and complete suspension from Detroit Speed, and has won a number of shootouts with similarly built Pro Touring cars. But can his modified muscle car outrun the technology of the Magnetic Ride suspension on the new, 580hp, 2012 Camaro ZL1? We head to GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan to find out.



I thought this was pretty cool...
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:45 PM   #2
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You beat me by 3 minutes!
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:51 PM   #3
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Exhaust and engine sound on both are great and love the flames exit the 69's exhaust at time 5:30 something on the vid.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:51 PM   #4
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as he said, would like to see this done with the corvette.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:15 PM   #5
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I'm thinking the ZL1 should have about 60 more hp.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:28 PM   #6
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Love the pro touring camaro's but has someone that has priced building one you could not even think about it for the price of a ZL1.


427ci LS9 motor ???? ~20k+
Detroit speed front subfram 7.5k
quadralink rear 2.5k
tremec swap kit ~5k
forged wheels ~4k

needless to say lots of coin.

it is amazing how fast his car is though. when they did the optimum battery shootout he lapped a bit faster than the Z06 the optima batties brought.

I think the Z07 and Zr1 would give him a run but they both would till be down on power that car is hauling the mail.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:28 PM   #7
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I'm thinking the ZL1 should have about 60 more hp.
could not agree more. The nice thing about that is pulley, tune, cai will pretty much get you there. then just need to upgrade the cooling.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:35 PM   #8
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Do not want to lose my warranty. Kind of feel like GM should offer a kit for sale through dealers that gets 60hp without losing warranty. I'm willing to buy it and after spending 60k on the car kind of feel like they owe it to the folks that bought one. Then this totally badass car won't get smoked on the dragstrip or straightaways.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:37 PM   #9
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Do not want to lose my warranty. Kind of feel like GM should offer a kit for sale through dealers that gets 60hp without losing warranty. I'm willing to buy it and after spending 60k on the car kind of feel like they owe it to the folks that bought one. Then this totally badass car won't get smoked on the dragstrip or straightaways.
^^^ What he said. I want my warranty...for now

Come on GM, need a bump.

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Old 07-27-2012, 05:41 PM   #10
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Wow, that '69 just might be able to hang with mine
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:43 PM   #11
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That '69 should be the blueprint for the next Gen ZL1 or Z28. Smaller, lighter, more powerfull, more retro. Turn that '69 into a modern production car and the waiting list would start today.
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:32 PM   #12
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That '69 should be the blueprint for the next Gen ZL1 or Z28. Smaller, lighter, more powerfull, more retro. Turn that '69 into a modern production car and the waiting list would start today.
I agree 100%... I would do whatever it took to get one.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:39 PM   #13
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That '69 should be the blueprint for the next Gen ZL1 or Z28. Smaller, lighter, more powerfull, more retro. Turn that '69 into a modern production car and the waiting list would start today.
Put me first on the list!
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:57 PM   #14
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Nice video. Really love the sound of the red devil.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:11 PM   #15
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Wow. 2 fine examples of what a great Camaro should be. I don't know the man but im glad Mark Stielow is on our side.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:54 PM   #16
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That '69 should be the blueprint for the next Gen ZL1 or Z28. Smaller, lighter, more powerfull, more retro. Turn that '69 into a modern production car and the waiting list would start today.
Ya but is that bad ass 69' current emissions legal? Or only because it's exempt?
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:04 PM   #17
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The ZL1 should be about a 1,000 lbs heavier, modern suspension is hard too beat.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:11 PM   #18
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Wow. 2 fine examples of what a great Camaro should be. I don't know the man but im glad Mark Stielow is on our side.
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:19 AM   #19
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In case anyone is wondering, here are the specs on the Red Devil Camaro:

http://www.lateral-g.net/members/stielow/
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:58 AM   #20
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Cool Video: 2012 Camaro ZL1 vs. 750 HP Red Devil 69 Camaro

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On this episode of HOT ROD Unlimited, David Freiburger meets up with Pro Touring legend Mark Stielow to compare old and new Camaros head to head. Mark Stielow is a GM engineer with a long history of building vintage, street-worthy Camaros with amazing handling prowess. His latest is the Red Devil, a '69 model powered by a 427ci, supercharged LS9 that tops 750 hp and 800 lb-ft. It runs a six-speed trans and complete suspension from Detroit Speed, and has won a number of shootouts with similarly built Pro Touring cars. But can his modified muscle car outrun the technology of the Magnetic Ride suspension on the new, 580hp, 2012 Camaro ZL1? We head to GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan to find out.


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Old 07-28-2012, 02:33 AM   #21
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Loved the video...
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Old 07-28-2012, 06:51 AM   #22
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That was awesome! Didn't see anywhere the weight and hp of the 69?
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:11 AM   #23
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Thanks, that was a great watch, really enjoyed the commentary and of course the on track action. Chevy Runs Deep, especially in corners.
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:41 AM   #24
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Awsome video and you couldn't find a better car to compare to. I've been following Mark Stielows builds since his first car in 92 which won the Car Craft Real Street Shootout. The man is the god father of Pro Touring and builds the most amazing 69's in the world....and he can drive to boot.
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Old 07-28-2012, 04:45 PM   #25
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No mention of just how much is invested in the Red Devil. Any clue?
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