ZL1 vs GT500 This Friday.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I would say it wouldn't take much if anything to match the actual local street days performance of the 500 to this point which seem to fall in the 12:30-12:90 range The 12-500 has run 12:00s atleast, bone stock at local events.

I don't believe I have seen a bone stock GT500 at a local street day/night beat this time:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218407

I think the problem you are going to run into with stock times in both of these cars is the serious drag racers modding before they get much seat time in stock cars. Here is one with the cobra jet throttle body, intake, and tune running 11.1@130mph on stock tires. Yes, I said on stock tires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=EThGKpZ_Fsg

I have trouble finding stock runs at all.

[mgoodbar]

Originally Posted by mr02Z/28

I read a "magazine" today...... It was good reading, mostly pictures though.. H*STLER, i think it was called.... kept me interested...

me toooooooooo!!

[mgoodbar]

Originally Posted by 04svtsnke

Guys like you are what make good threads into bad ones very quickly. Yes we know the base zl1's come with the magnetic ride. We also know the track pack and svtpp are offered OPTIONS on the gt500. As many have clarified is these aren't "extra" mods but different ways ford can give their customer what they want. Btw, a pulley and tune isn't going to gain you 100 hp plain and simple and good luck getting a power package from GM for the little amount of money you claimed you'd have to spend. I hope you retract your earlier statements and realize what EVERYONE is tryig to tell you. I get your undertone and what you're really trying to say but most really don't care now that you've made it clear you're ignorant about these two cars and what their OPTIONS are.

Btw just for arguments sake, you could also say it would take the zl1 a few thousand to match the straightline performance of a STOCK BASE MODEL gt500. Each cars has their advantages just admit to them and let it go bro

Already let it go... the window thing made since to me and kinda made me think yea your all right.... ignorant is a simple lack of knowledge by definition.. Sorry for taking another's tread and messing it up for ya. now you all can get back to how cool 500.......is

[C5RocksC5]

Get a room you two

[mgoodbar]

Here ya go complete from the factory....

[Topher3134]

I like^

[Truck Norris]

Originally Posted by mgoodbar

Here ya go complete from the factory....

Bad ass production Camaro for sure.

You do know about Ford Cobra Jet Program right...if not here are a few vids

[mgoodbar]

DAM thats a fas ford... The Camaro is gona have a hard time beating that one...

Loving that these guys are going at it again.....

[04svtsnke]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I think the problem you are going to run into with stock times in both of these cars is the serious drag racers modding before they get much seat time in stock cars. Here is one with the cobra jet throttle body, intake, and tune running 11.1@130mph on stock tires. Yes, I said on stock tires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=EThGKpZ_Fsg

I have trouble finding stock runs at all.

It's so easy to make power with those care it's ridiculous. I don't care who you are, getting to know a car and it's limits is step 1 if you're going to drag race it or take it on a road course. Like 95% of owners( on both sides) most will be driven on the street with occasional trips to said tracks to see what the car is made of but I don't think everyone has had enough time behind the wheel to really take advantage of the power of the gt500( especially when modded). That trap says it all, easily in the tens with more practice.

[NASTY99Z28]

Did anyone notice that if you go to the nhra rule book to see how they break down what class the cars are going to go in based on power and weight they under rate ALL of the ford motors yet they rate the Chevy motors for their true power what's up with that?

[VADER SS L99]

[QUOTE=8cd03gro;5383283]I think the problem you are going to run into with stock times in both of these cars is the serious drag racers modding before they get much seat time in stock cars. Here is one with the cobra jet throttle body, intake, and tune running 11.1@130mph on stock tires. Yes, I said on stock tires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=EThGKpZ_Fsg

I have trouble finding stock runs at all.[/Q
I can promise all of you that someone will get a bone stock (down to the filter and tires) 2013 GT500 into the tens. It's just a matter of time and it is what it is. By the end of the year it would not surprise me if there are no less than a dozen bone stock 2013 GT500's into the tens with the only change being some drag radials.

[newmoon]

[QUOTE=VADER SS L99;5386375]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I think the problem you are going to run into with stock times in both of these cars is the serious drag racers modding before they get much seat time in stock cars. Here is one with the cobra jet throttle body, intake, and tune running 11.1@130mph on stock tires. Yes, I said on stock tires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=EThGKpZ_Fsg

I have trouble finding stock runs at all.[/Q
I can promise all of you that someone will get a bone stock (down to the filter and tires) 2013 GT500 into the tens. It's just a matter of time and it is what it is. By the end of the year it would not surprise me if there are no less than a dozen bone stock 2013 GT500's into the tens with the only change being some drag radials.

10s are not likely going to happen bone stock on factory rubber, if it does I would be very skeptical. A search over at the SVT forum shows that 100% stock cars driven at a non prepped regular track day is struggling in the 12s. Each owner stated the car simply can not hook up. The mph is there but E/T is not. You have to dig to find these times as they quickly move on down the list as it's not something the SVT gang wants to advertise as they have been very critical of the ZL1s running similar times. At this point the best I have seen posted was a 12:28, I'm sure these times will fall in cooler weather though, but presently most are mid to high 12s, within striking distance of stock ZL1s, 12-500s, Boss, and auto SRT8s.

[IOMZL1]

^ Wow. ^

So all of this talk and basically the GT500 on stock rubber isn't much different than a ZL1 at the drag strip??

[Bob Cosby]

Ya...the few private owner GT500 ETs I've seen have all been low-mid 12s at ~119-123 mph. Like the ZL1 (sorry), underwhelming on the drag strip. I *thought* someone had run an 11.7 or 11.8, but a couldn't find it after a real quick check, and I'm not that worried about it.

I don't think we'll see 10's in a bone stock 2013 GT500 - there just isn't enough traction to make it happen, IMO. Stock except for slicks? Perhaps, with a great driver in great air at a great track.

All of this is making a no-option 2013 GT look mighty good...those cars are a lot of fun.

Personal bias/preference...

[04svtsnke]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

^ Wow. ^

So all of this talk and basically the GT500 on stock rubber isn't much different than a ZL1 at the drag strip??

Except most are still trapping 10+ mph better.cant blame the car for inexperienced drivers. It'll take time for both drivers on both sides to get used to their cars to optimize track times. I think very low 11's and a high 10 will be possible on a stock gt500 with a great driver, good traction and good shifting. Of course with just a tire it'll go 10's in the fall

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

All of this is making a no-option 2013 GT look mighty good...those cars are a lot of fun.

I agree. The GT has so much potential at half the price.

[04svtsnke]

Originally Posted by Raven87

I agree. The GT has so much potential at half the price.

+1,the cars have great power potential N/A or with a power adder.

[VADER SS L99]

Anyone want to bet with me that a bone stock (including the tires) 2013 GT500 won't make it into the 10's? I can all but garantee it will happen in the fall. Someone like Evan Smith will get ahold of one of these things on a well prepped track and it will happen. If awesome drivers can get a bone stock C6 ZO6 into the 10's on the stock run flats they can do it with this car. Heck they got the bone stock C5 ZO6's into the 11's.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Anyone want to bet with me that a bone stock (including the tires) 2013 GT500 won't make it into the 10's? I can all but garantee it will happen in the fall. Someone like Evan Smith will get ahold of one of these things on a well prepped track and it will happen. If awesome drivers can get a bone stock C6 ZO6 into the 10's on the stock run flats they can do it with this car. Heck they got the bone stock C5 ZO6's into the 11's.

I will bet that it will not happen on stock tires. They can not hold the HP and allow the needed 60' time to crack a 10.99 in my opinion.

Now, Evan will do it, no doubt, but I do not believe he will on the stock tire. Regardless, it will be fun to watch.

And I will go a step farther - I do not believe we will see a consumer owned, 100% stock ZL1 crack an 11.99 either. No flames, I just do not see it happening.

[Bob Cosby]

I'll take the bet on the GT500 not getting into the 10's bone stock (including tires). I do believe we'll 128+ mph out of them though.

On the flip side, I will bet that the ZL1 DOES hit 11.9 bone stock to the tire in good air.

It is simply a LOT easier to run 11.9x than it is to run 10.9x....especially on factory rubber.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Ya...the few private owner GT500 ETs I've seen have all been low-mid 12s at ~119-123 mph. Like the ZL1 (sorry), underwhelming on the drag strip. I *thought* someone had run an 11.7 or 11.8, but a couldn't find it after a real quick check, and I'm not that worried about it.

Bob, I believe Evan Smith was credited with actual times in the 11.7-11.8 range. The magazine times in that range are "corrected", iirc.

[Bob Cosby]

Ya, but was trying to find private owners vice magazine times. I think most mags have gone 11's, though most of those are indeed corrected, as you stated.

Found a new 2013 GT for ~$27k. Very tempting....

[TheReaper]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Ya, but was trying to find private owners vice magazine times. I think most mags have gone 11's, though most of those are indeed corrected, as you stated.

Found a new 2013 GT for ~$27k. Very tempting....

Buy it, you can't beat the bang for the buck.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by Raven87

I will bet that it will not happen on stock tires. They can not hold the HP and allow the needed 60' time to crack a 10.99 in my opinion.

Now, Evan will do it, no doubt, but I do not believe he will on the stock tire. Regardless, it will be fun to watch.

And I will go a step farther - I do not believe we will see a consumer owned, 100% stock ZL1 crack an 11.99 either. No flames, I just do not see it happening.

Their has already been a zl1 in the 12.2's with far from ideal conditons yet you think they can't go 11.9's? Then you think the gt500 will gain 6-7 tenths to run 10's what kind of logic is that?

[Fenderaddict2]

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