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Old 03-19-2008, 07:39 PM   #126
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Just my two cents--to me, it doesn't matter if the engine is a four-cylinder or a V8. It's still a Camaro, and I plan on buying what I can afford regardless. I've never owned a Camaro, and I will buy a fifth gen. (Always wanted one, just never had the chance.)
To me, that's what matters--that GM is trying to return a classic car to production, which will hopefully be a quality product that will be in production for years to come.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:40 PM   #127
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Last week I was under the impression that the Camaro will be priced with the Mustang, that the V6 will have 300hp, that a turbo was going into the cobalt. Today I find the Camaro will cost more, excuse me, will be at a premium compared to the Mustang, the V6 just lost 40hp, and the turbo has entered the Camaro.

What next? Dare I say it???????????????


PREPO HEADLIGHTS ARE STAYING???????????
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:44 PM   #128
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What do you think about.....
$24k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$32k DI V6_____________306hp
$40k V8________________400hp
$50k Supercharged V8____500hp
I prefer:

$21.5 K 4-cyl turbo
$24 K DI V6
$29 K V8
$39 K Supercharged V8
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:46 PM   #129
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Try this on .. its more likely the closer to the real thing..

$19k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$24k DI V6_____________306hp
$32k V8________________400hp
$40k Supercharged V8____500hp

I see what you're saying.
What confuses me is.....the Dodge Challenger is 40,095 MSRP and the
Pontiac G8 is 29,995 MSRP. (who knows what the G8 GXP will cost)
So, will Chevy price the V8 Camaro closer to the Challenger or closer to the G8??

All other model prices will fall in line based on this.

By the way.... this thread has been
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:47 PM   #130
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I'm going to try to say this nicely, and all though I haven't been here for a considerably long time I would like to tell/ask all you new members with below like 10 posts to get some respect. We don't need a "rice" burner thread (notice the play on words). GET OVER IT! It is so disrespectful and unappealing from people that actually consider themselves AUTOMOTIVE enthusiasts. It's getting extremely old, not everyone can afford a v8. Also if GM was smart they would try to get a part of the import crowd, you know, anything to up sales. And last but deffinitely not least. IF you plan on buying the v8, please take a nice dose of shut up lol, your not buying it so it doesn't effect you
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:47 PM   #131
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As long as they're still bringing out the V8 I'm good. And even if they drop that, which I doubt, I'll buy a V8 myself and put in the car.

I.

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Camaro.
Thats a good point. buy the I4, save gas money, then drop in a crate LS7.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:52 PM   #132
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damit if ur gona make it a 4 cylinder dont call it a camaro. bring back the vega. and for those that dont know what the vega was its basicly camaro with a hatch and a 4 cylinder.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:55 PM   #133
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I havn't lost ALL my faith but the car's name has lost some credibility.

Times change.
No the name has not lost any credibility, if anything it gains some
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Old 03-19-2008, 08:03 PM   #134
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I4 base engine.

Look at history - the I4 was used as the base engine in the camaro after the new CAFE standards in the 70's because GM couldn't bring a v6 to high enough fuel economy (and possibly more importantly, emissions) - it was done temporarily, and, if you didn't notice, by the time the third gen's ended there was no more I4. I highly doubt this will be a permanent move. If it's done, it will only be for a few years, I'm sure.

As for pricing, it really concerns me as well. Looking at the statistics, I think the major factors for the low sales that caused Camaro's cancellation in the first place were A) Visual Appeal, B) The fact that the mustang was out first, so it had a large fanbase before the camaro was even produced (there are a lot of people who like mustangs just because their parents do, or their grandparents had one, etc.), and C) Camaros have always been a little bit pricier than mustangs. I think they've fixed problem A, problem B is just something they'll get used to, and sell less camaros than ford sells stangs, but problem C I think was a lot more important than it seems GM realizes. The pony car market has been a cheap, entry level performance car market since the mustang came out. The buyers in that market are usually looking for price, and I'm here to say that even just 2000 dollars tacked onto a 20000 bill goes a long way after interest, especially when you're young and don't have a good credit score. If I buy one of the new camaros (if I have the money to do it - heh!) I'll probably get a v6 for that very reason - I'm 19, a freshman in college, and I would have serious problems affording the car payment on a v8. And when 2000 dollars comes to almost 50 dollars a month - it really does make a difference. Its one of the reasons I'm considering just taking out a bank loan to finance an LS1 swap into my 86.

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2.0 turbo??? are you kidding me. thats is rediculous. that is definately NOT what the camaro nor any MUSCLE car stands for. i cant believe they would even consider it. i dont care how bad gas prices are. you would never see the corvette do that or even a v6(now).

and whats up with the 6.0?? i thought they cleared that up and said they meant to say 6.2???? im confused?!?!?!?!
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+1 kyle

i for one i'm going to get a V8, but i drive a four banger right now. hell, i work 40 miles one way from my house. i need good fuel economy. so the V8 will be the weekend car. if the four banger camaro is good on gas i might just get one for my daily driver. so that would be two camaro sales, which is double the amount i was thinking of buying.
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What do you think about.....
$24k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$32k DI V6_____________306hp
$40k V8________________400hp
$50k Supercharged V8____500hp
How about. . .

$24k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$27k DI V6_____________300hp
$29k V8________________400hp
$41k Supercharged V8____500hp
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Old 03-19-2008, 08:16 PM   #138
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2.0 turbo??? are you kidding me. thats is rediculous. that is definately NOT what the camaro nor any MUSCLE car stands for. i cant believe they would even consider it. i dont care how bad gas prices are. you would never see the corvette do that or even a v6(now).

and whats up with the 6.0?? i thought they cleared that up and said they meant to say 6.2???? im confused?!?!?!?!
Not all of us can afford the top of the line stuff. You have to remember that the camaro was a car that everyone can afford to buy no matter if it had a t4.v6 .or v8
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Old 03-19-2008, 08:22 PM   #139
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A four cylinder? Even with D.I. and a turbo, it's blasphemy in a Camaro! Premium price over the Mustang? Why bother Bob, the Mustang will out sell the Camaro! The new Camaro will suffer the same fate it did in 2002.
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Not all of us can afford the top of the line stuff. You have to remember that the camaro was a car that everyone can afford to buy no matter if it had a t4.v6 .or v8
Being realistic isn't an easy principle for some people to grasp.
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I don't see what the big deal is. I could care less if GM decided to equip the base model with a hamster wheel!

I really don't like supercharged either - naturally aspirated cubic inches are what I'm looking for and if the factory doesn't offer it, some company like Berger or someone will step up (for a lot of dough, though) and take care of it. Incidentally, back in the early 90's I had a turbo eclipse, and although I hated the turbo lag, once you got past that, the car was fast. Regardless, I only had that car a short time before I smartened up and got the first of my now two Camaros, soon to be three!
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So there is going to a bunch of ricer v4 camaros running around making the real camaros look bad... i dont even think a v6 could honestly be seen as "muscle", but a V4!?
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Woah Woah Woah!!!!!! Mr. Lutz. With all due respect if I wanted "Premium" pricing I can get that from my local BMW dealer. Not to mention a better warranty than GM offers. Better service at the dealers, better reliability and a better interior than what GM has currently on the market. Look if I'm gonna pay a premium price I'll get something that will hold its value better over time. So far we know nothing about the interior and not much about the motors and even less about the pricing. The best way for GM to screw this up is to price it out of the ordinary Joe's pocket book. This is what makes GM, not a couple of people that are willing to pay thru the snout for "premium" pricing. 100k cars by the end of next year???? At those prices try 25k total. Mustang GT here I come!
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3.6 V6 = around 260
4 banger turbo = around 260

WHATS THE BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
I know "its a muscle car" but times are changing and why not use a more efficient engine.
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P.S. This really pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Come on you guys. Its as simple as this.

$$ an 1/2 = Ford = POS
$$$ = Charger = Ok
$$$ an 1/2 = Camaro = Best in class

Not that Id ever Buy a Mustang or Charger.

Its a no brain-er!

Camaro---or nothing at all!
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P.S. This really pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We know.
Everyone Chill.

I didnt know the word "premium" could reek such havoc.
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Camaro 40k + for the v8 not for me!!!
Camaro 35-40 v8 not for me!!!
Camaro 30-34 v8 maybe.
Camaro 28-32 Right there!!!!!
I hope they really read these post. Looks like they may lose some sales.
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So it's a Cobalt SS in a Camaro body. Think seriously about this, GM. It'll be a heavier, bigger Cobalt. You'd be letting one of the greatest muscle cars ever built be beaten by a new, unorthodox 4-banger. This is a terrible idea.
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Camaro 40k + for the v8 not for me!!!
Camaro 35-40 v8 not for me!!!
Camaro 30-34 v8 maybe.
Camaro 28-32 Right there!!!!!
I hope they really read these post. Looks like they may lose some sales.
You get what you pay for...if you decide on a stang , thats your decision, but I'll be seing you in my rear view mirror
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