Zabo's '00 T/A Build Thread

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by ndtguy

That shifter sucks. Time for a new one. Either a pro 5.0 or b&m ripper. I know the b&m automatically lines up the 2 to 3 shift, just push fwd.

You have dyno'd your car, correct? I don't know about anyone else, but I shift right a 6k rpms.

Just get quicker at shifting and practice getting you 60 ft down and you will be good to go.

BTW, what was your mph?

Nah, I'll stick with it. Not building a drag car here. The major issue I'm seeing is throttle response if anything, I can mash it but I won't climb the tach as it should in 2, 3 and 4. Just feels slow.

MPH was only 94, so I'm thinking it's breathing through a straw at this point with the stock intake/lid.

[demonspeed]

Please post your time slip and the DA if you know what it was.

To be honest, if it's like any other LS1 fbody with your mods, that car should be in the high 12's and trapping 110+. 15's and under 100? You've got some stuff to figure out, and I mean that the nicest way possible. A lid is not going to make that much of a difference, either.

I think the general consensus is that we all want to see you succeed!

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by demonspeed

Please post your time slip and the DA if you know what it was.

To be honest, if it's like any other LS1 fbody with your mods, that car should be in the high 12's and trapping 110+. 15's and under 100? You've got some stuff to figure out, and I mean that the nicest way possible. A lid is not going to make that much of a difference, either.

I think the general consensus is that we all want to see you succeed!

Slip goes

RT: .618
60ft: 2.238
330ft: 6.310
1/8: 9.591 @ 75.32 mph
1000ft: 12.397
1/4: 14.776 @ 94.32 mph


Oh believe you me.. I KNOW it's my driving.

Period.

Not sure what else to say.

Other than I just got word that I passed the first round of resume cuts for a job in Titusville, FL.

[ndtguy]

Originally Posted by demonspeed

Please post your time slip and the DA if you know what it was.

To be honest, if it's like any other LS1 fbody with your mods, that car should be in the high 12's and trapping 110+. 15's and under 100? You've got some stuff to figure out, and I mean that the nicest way possible. A lid is not going to make that much of a difference, either.

I think the general consensus is that we all want to see you succeed!

Agreed. My 98 TA bone stock ran 103 in San Antonio with the temps 100+. The elvation is roughly 1k feet. Just to give you an idea. Stock Fbodies here in Vegas with 5400ft DA the other night were still running 14.3-.5@99-101. Just fyi.

Even if your 60' is crappy and slower shifts, you should still be trapping near 100mph if not over it.

When you nail the throttle, do you hear anything coming from the engine (knocking, it will sound like ball bearings rattling around in a tin can) or look at the tach that it is hesitant to pull through to 6k?

Try to get someone to video tape a run in 3rd on the street with the camara on your tach.

Did you have anyone tune your car? (shouldn't need it to run high 13s/102+ but just wondering if you had any computer tuning at all). Is there any binding in your throttle cable or your throttle body? Just asking to rule things out.

Congrats on the first round. Off to the second.

[demonspeed]

Originally Posted by Zabo

Oh believe you me.. I KNOW it's my driving.

Zabo, I wouldn't be so sure to blame yourself entirely. 2.2 60' is not that bad. Actually, most of mine were in the 2.1-2.2 range. Even if you've not yet mastered the quick-shift, you should be trapping much higher, as Matt mentions.

I think we've also got a problem with the vehicle, and all of the driving experience you can throw at it will still not take care of what is holding it back.

[xXSilencerXx]

Originally Posted by Zabo

Slip goes

RT: .618
60ft: 2.238
330ft: 6.310
1/8: 9.591 @ 75.32 mph
1000ft: 12.397
1/4: 14.776 @ 94.32 mph


Oh believe you me.. I KNOW it's my driving.

Period.

Not sure what else to say.

Other than I just got word that I passed the first round of resume cuts for a job in Titusville, FL.

Work on the launch some, I can get 1.9xx 60ft just mashing it of the line. So there's three tenths. Faster shifts will pick up time more as well. Practice makes perfect!

I'll be moving down that way later this year. If you do get the job I can help you work on the car. I just finished the cam swap and am waiting for youtube to finish uploading the video.

[insidethreat07]

My 60' is usually 2.2x or 2.3x

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by ndtguy

Agreed. My 98 TA bone stock ran 103 in San Antonio with the temps 100+. The elvation is roughly 1k feet. Just to give you an idea. Stock Fbodies here in Vegas with 5400ft DA the other night were still running14.3-.5@99-101. Just fyi.

Even if your 60' is crappy and slower shifts, you should still be trapping near 100mph if not over it.

Actually was trapping around 103-105 before I started modding when I looked at my old Milan slips

When you nail the throttle, do you hear anything coming from the engine (knocking, it will sound like ball bearings rattling around in a tin can) or look at the tach that it is hesitant to pull through to 6k?

Moreso on the lower end and only in 2nd and 3rd gears. Almost as if nothing really comes of the two before she pounces in upper 3rd and into the transition to 4th gear. At least that's what I did after reading this and driving home from work.

Try to get someone to video tape a run in 3rd on the street with the camara on your tach.

Did you have anyone tune your car? (shouldn't need it to run high 13s/102+ but just wondering if you had any computer tuning at all). Is there any binding in your throttle cable or your throttle body? Just asking to rule things out.

No binding, but we did go into the ECU to kill off the EGR and front O2s. Shouldn't have done anything to kill power and if anything aside from making the car reek of exhaust gave it less restriction on the outflow. Still running stock filters/TB/MAF/Etc and the MAF was clean when I had the car tuned (said it was actually pretty damned immaculate for a 12 year old MAF that's only been cleaned once.

Congrats on the first round. Off to the second.

Originally Posted by demonspeed

Zabo, I wouldn't be so sure to blame yourself entirely. 2.2 60' is not that bad. Actually, most of mine were in the 2.1-2.2 range. Even if you've not yet mastered the quick-shift, you should be trapping much higher, as Matt mentions.

I think we've also got a problem with the vehicle, and all of the driving experience you can throw at it will still not take care of what is holding it back.

Still at a loss though (and why I really think it's my driving), but the more I have these posts to look at before doing a little hooning, the more I noticed the before mentioned '2nd and 3rd gear dead spots'. I'll have to get a video at some point for sure but could be a while. Could be that I'm subconsciously shifting earlier than I want to?

Originally Posted by xXSilencerXx

Work on the launch some, I can get 1.9xx 60ft just mashing it of the line. So there's three tenths. Faster shifts will pick up time more as well. Practice makes perfect!

I'll be moving down that way later this year. If you do get the job I can help you work on the car. I just finished the cam swap and am waiting for youtube to finish uploading the video.

See below, bro..

Well first off.. I got a call from Titusville. Granted I was out like a light after work so I missed the call but if it's any indication.. the whole thing is going in some direction.

Secondly.. CATCH CAN!



'Non' PCV but I'm actually going to hook the factory plug into the lower fitting and just rig the upper fitting to the manifold. Other option is to cut the PCV valve off the factory line and fit a Y fitting to the two lines and into the lower input. Upper is what appears to be a PCV valve anyway because there's some sort of valve inside the upper black hose fitting.

Also considering blocking off the factory breather line to the TB and just dropping a breather filter in place of the filler neck. But that may come later.

[ndtguy]

You deleted the FRONT o2? No no, delete the rear o2 sensors. That's why you are running pig rich.

[demonspeed]

Originally Posted by ndtguy

You deleted the FRONT o2? No no, delete the rear o2 sensors. That's why you are running pig rich.

Wow. Zabo...

[Zabo]

No wait, it was the rear O2s. Fronts were relocated to collectors as per standard header install. I'll dig up the invoice to double check but I think this may be an A/F issue. Again this morning almost no power in 2nd and 3rd gear when you got on it.

Phone interview for Titusville on Friday.. Knock on wood.

[ndtguy]

Have someone with a scan tool double check it for you or go to another tuner and ask them to verify the front o2's are really working. The rears are only there to verify that the kitty kat under is working.

Congrats on the interview. You will do fine. Who is the interview with?

[Zabo]

I'll probably have it scanned friday after the interview (it's with Bristow Academy/Bristow Corp who are pretty huge in the Helicopter business..)

I shut down TCS and with the Humidity at almost 95%, 88*F and pretty much flogged it on the way home. Set a mark at what I thought would be 1/4 mile and from a dead stop just launched (it's mostly country roads home from work and they average almost 1/4 mile stop to stop).

Sure enough on one of the longer stretches I got about to what I'd say was the 1000 foot mark and was doing close to 80 in 3rd. Also noticed something too: my shifts were EARLY as hell. Like 4400 or so. So I wound it out a bit more on one of the longest stretches and sure enough she was doing 65 in 2nd/3rd transition at 5700 on the tach. 3/4 was around 4900 as I was running out of braking room.

I'm thinking it's really the driving/airflow thing. This was just weird. I'm going to go out in a bit and try it again and report back; same roads.

[xXSilencerXx]

Originally Posted by Zabo

Sure enough on one of the longer stretches I got about to what I'd say was the 1000 foot mark and was doing close to 80 in 3rd. Also noticed something too: my shifts were EARLY as hell. Like 4400 or so. So I wound it out a bit more on one of the longest stretches and sure enough she was doing 65 in 2nd/3rd transition at 5700 on the tach. 3/4 was around 4900 as I was running out of braking room.

If you were shifting at 4400 that's why it was so slow. You were shifting just as you were getting into the powerband. Try shifting at 6K and she'll fly. I shift the the Camaro at 6200.

Goodluck on the interview!

[Zabo]

I got it up to 5400 on damp roads through 1-4 and she hit a solid 102 around an estimated 1/4 mile. Changing the oil here so hopefully some fresh oil can help.

[demonspeed]

What is your concern about shifting at high rpms? The factory tach is slow, especially the higher the needle climbs. You really don't have anything to worry about when winding the car out.

You might want to consider a Harlan or Raptor shift light. They're like $50 and you will know exactly when to shift -- while also keeping your eyes on the road.

[xXSilencerXx]

Yea shift lights are nice. I want to put one in the Camaro eventually so I don't have to look down to shift. It has a digital one on the HUD but I don't trust it.

[CamaroSpike23]

shift by sound and feel. not by the tach. that is all

[dmginc]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

shift by sound and feel. not by the tach. that is all

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000

[ndtguy]

Originally Posted by Zabo

I got it up to 5400 on damp roads through 1-4 and she hit a solid 102 around an estimated 1/4 mile. Changing the oil here so hopefully some fresh oil can help.

If you want an oil analysis, let me know, I will send you a sample bottle for the oil.

[Zabo]

Turns out two issues may be at play: bent pushrods and a lean mix. 317/320 are the current numbers.

Also..

[demonspeed]

Bent push rods are an easy check/fix. I've got a full spare set of OEM if you end up needing some.

[Zabo]

May not be bent rods but I'm saving to get it tuned since I may keep the setup for duals/HCI. Not adding boost so I'm not seeing the need to go with 1 7/8ths. I think the ticking is just a mix of things due to it being lean as a cut of veal.

Started noticing it more too..

Think after that I'm going to start working on suspension/tying the frame together with an STB and SFCs so that the chassis stops flexing like mad with the Polys in.

In some unfortuante news:



My clear coat delivery system failed catastrophically. Gonna wait to do the bay to get it signed again. :/

[dmginc]

hmm i would have thought if you lightly sprayed clear on it would have been fine...what did you do?

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by dmginc

hmm i would have thought if you lightly sprayed clear on it would have been fine...what did you do?

Well I had a little bit of duplicolor clear left over from another project. Nozzle was cleaned as per usual and I just put everything back together. Nozzle failed and end result was that mess. It's gone now but the paint on the strut tower is all scuffed and looks like crap. Never had any clear under the hood from the factory so it looks like someone just ran sandpaper across the surface..

I can't show it off like that anymore. F'kin ruined it by trying to save it. I'm just so pissed and broken hearted at the same time that this happened. Damnit..