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Old 07-11-2012, 11:20 AM   #120
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:51 PM   #121
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First of all, NOWHERE has "GM" said "The 1LE will run with the BOSS LS". This sort of remark is what has many in the world questioning if the ZL1 is "sub-par" becuse it doesn't "outrun the [2013] GT500", something apparently alluded to by someone at GM, offhandedly.

What GM said was the "1LE is capable of a sub-3:00 lap @ VIR". YOU can draw whatever conclusions YOU wish from that statement...

Let's NOT start a "war of words" BEFORE the 1LE arrives in showrooms...

MRC is NOT "mandatory" for a Z28. The 1LE's enhanced FE4 will suit just fine.

1LE @ 3920 lb. Curb = Z28 Curb with wet LS7, excepting the 6-piston front Brembos from the ZL1. 4000 lb Z28 is not a necessary stat...

Using the 1LE as the basis for an aftermarket-installed LS7 suffers two significant problems: NO GM warranty, bumper-to-bumper; Cost-prohibitive (the pull-out LS3's value would not cover the re-and-re charges, so you're on the hook for the LS7's full $13K cost + MORE = ZL1 money, without a suitable warranty)
If the ZL1 differential is included with the proposed LS7 Z28 then the Z28 would be closer to 4,000 pounds. The LS3 can already break the SS differential, not just the axles.

We will just have to wait and see once the 1LE arrives if it can beat or hang with the Boss at VIR or anywhere. If the 1LE is competitive then things get more confusing for the Z28.

And what if SLP supplements the GM Drive Train Warranty? And they get a really good deal on LS7s because GM wants to keep the Z28ers happy? Even the GM LS7 Z28 could break $50k once you include development, manufacturing and regulatory costs for a very limited model.

Internet car building and racing is fun, isn't it. We both can be right.

Still I hope someone builds the LS7 Z28 as defined here faithful. Respect.
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Personally I'd like to see any "supplement" business go to Pete. SLP was a business venture with Camaro in it's past life. Time for change.
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The 1LE is really a better comparison to a GT with a Track Pack. Even the pricing is very close.
Ah good point about the Track Pack. That is the comparison test I want to see and lets add the standard SS to the mix. The FE4 has upgraded the handling a bit.

Camaro 1SS base with the ZL1 exhaust option vs. Mustang GT Track Pack and
Camaro 1LE vs Boss (And throw in a Boss LS for good measure)

With this we can measure the improvement of the FE4 and see how the 1LE stacks up against both. Bet the Mustangs win at the drag strip.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:05 PM   #124
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Personally I'd like to see any "supplement" business go to Pete. SLP was a business venture with Camaro in it's past life. Time for change.
Fine by me. SLP was just an example of who could do it.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:06 PM   #125
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Personally I'd like to see any "supplement" business go to Pete. SLP was a business venture with Camaro in it's past life. Time for change.
I second this motion!
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:10 PM   #126
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Camaro 1SS base with the ZL1 exhaust option vs. Mustang GT Track Pack and
Camaro 1LE vs Boss (And throw in a Boss LS for good measure)
And lets add:

Pedderized 1LE versus Pedderized Boss
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Old 07-14-2012, 05:04 PM   #127
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What ever Chevy does, they better do it soon. I need a new car and don't know how much longer I can hold out for a Z28.
That's why I traded my in the wrapper '02 SS 35th for a 2012 ZL1. I needed a fix. The '02 provided that adrenaline for 10 years, and I owned it thinking it wouldn't potentially return. So I had the last of the Mohican's per se, and a fine one at that. But it was old school, and the new Camaro came about. So chic, advanced, and modern. With no Z28 in sight, and the story of it evolving into the ZL1 during it's long and drawn out process, forced my hand at getting one. I was enamored by it's beauty. The body style is revolutionary. It's a modern classic. All those Milford car cam video's squarely put me in the seat and I could litteraly feel what the car could do. I had goosebumps and a hot rush watching those clips, man I wanted that adrenaline...it was palbable. I decided if and when a Z28 returned I could always make a move for it if it came with what I desired and it looked the part as well. They say the Gen 6 body will be an evolution of Gen 5. In all likelyhood the Z28 will come out with the new chasis and body. Will I like it? Will it have what I want? I don't know, only tme will tell. I do know I am in love with the Gen 5 body, and the ZL1 is a HP Camaro cutting edge that outperforms cars twice the price. That short walk to the ZL1 with the keys in hand does it all for me...for now. The underpinnings are so stout and capable to handle far more HP than delivered, so the only real modification needed is to the engine. The weight issue is solved by subtraction through addition. Nothing else is really required. The wait for the Z28 is less dramatic for me because I have the ZL1. And for me, a sure thing is better than a maybe. Just some ramblings....
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:00 PM   #128
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That's why I traded my in the wrapper '02 SS 35th for a 2012 ZL1. I needed a fix. The '02 provided that adrenaline for 10 years, and I owned it thinking it wouldn't potentially return. So I had the last of the Mohican's per se, and a fine one at that. But it was old school, and the new Camaro came about. So chic, advanced, and modern. With no Z28 in sight, and the story of it evolving into the ZL1 during it's long and drawn out process, forced my hand at getting one. I was enamored by it's beauty. The body style is revolutionary. It's a modern classic. All those Milford car cam video's squarely put me in the seat and I could litteraly feel what the car could do. I had goosebumps and a hot rush watching those clips, man I wanted that adrenaline...it was palbable. I decided if and when a Z28 returned I could always make a move for it if it came with what I desired and it looked the part as well. They say the Gen 6 body will be an evolution of Gen 5. In all likelyhood the Z28 will come out with the new chasis and body. Will I like it? Will it have what I want? I don't know, only tme will tell. I do know I am in love with the Gen 5 body, and the ZL1 is a HP Camaro cutting edge that outperforms cars twice the price. That short walk to the ZL1 with the keys in hand does it all for me...for now. The underpinnings are so stout and capable to handle far more HP than delivered, so the only real modification needed is to the engine. The weight issue is solved by subtraction through addition. Nothing else is really required. The wait for the Z28 is less dramatic for me because I have the ZL1. And for me, a sure thing is better than a maybe. Just some ramblings....
Yeah, I'm seriously leaning towards getting a 1LE this year. If the Z28 is announced by the time I get home from the dealership with my car then I'll figure something out.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:49 PM   #129
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Note to GM: Use up the technology laying about on the parts shelves, infuse inhouse vision or outsourse help from Pete if necessary, let's get 'er done <Z28> before the Gen6 arrival. Make it a last hurrah for the LS story.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:52 PM   #130
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:40 PM   #131
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Check this thread out guys....., congrats to Pete! This "RPO" is gonna rock n roll...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241258
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