Does ls3 reduce timing at wot shifts?

[Pro Stock John]

I could be losing my mind here but on my car if I double-tap nannies (gah I hate calling it that), all I'm doing is turnoff off TC and then turning it back on.

If you hold down the button for 6-7 seconds it will turn off TC and Stabilitrak.

I've been racing with just the TC off I don't think having Stabi on hurts the run.

[Jims73z]

Ok reading through my
manual ( I know last resort ) it says two taps for Competitive mode which allows launch control and ALSO some traction control to minimize tire spin. One tap would have been preferred because it would have just turned off traction control and left stability on. My run is a two tapper which shows traction and stability are off but they are in competitive mode instead which explains my weak time.

[John Deere Racer]

I like chirping all 4 gears

[dekan513]

do what comes natural to u, if u try to change stuff that u dont feel comf with , it will slow u down , we put this to the test , same car , diff drivers one was a no lift guy and me i like to lift a bit, times were almost identical , when the 60' was the same .
1 tap is tc off , st on , 2 taps is tc on st off comp mode which is a axel buster if used , 8 sec hold is best turns both off , unless u are having like 2.4 60' then i would say turn on the tc lol

[FaytalsCamaro]

I'm completely new to driving a manual and this thread completely scared the crap out of me. Made me question if I'm driving my car correctly. And all this time I thought I was. All this talk about don't ever WOT before shifting and such. Every time I really want to get on it I floor it, let off the throttle completely to depress the clutch in a seesaw manner shift then repeat till I've had my dosage. You guys make me feel like my car is gonna blow up cause of this.

[Jims73z]

We are talking more about keeping your
foot buried to the floor through the shifts. You are being kind by lifting throttle between shifts.

[FaytalsCamaro]

Oh thank god. I should stay away from you guys till I'm more experienced. Pushing the cars to another lvl lol

[Turbo99]

It just plain stupid to keep it to the floor. I call BS on not hitting a REV limiter too. If you are shifting at REDLINE and don't lift as soon as that clutch disengages it is gonna hit the limiter or you weren't taking the car to REDLINE no way around that. Either your short shifting it or your in the REV limiter is you don't lift off the throttle.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Turbo99

It just plain stupid to keep it to the floor. I call BS on not hitting a REV limiter too. If you are shifting at REDLINE and don't lift as soon as that clutch disengages it is gonna hit the limiter or you weren't taking the car to REDLINE no way around that. Either your short shifting it or your in the REV limiter is you don't lift off the throttle.

That is YOUR opinion. That doesn't make it true.

[Turbo99]

So you can shift your car AT redline and never lift off the throttle and get it in the next gear withoit it hitting the revlimiter? Only way you can is if you removes the limiter in your tune.

[pouncer72]

Originally Posted by Turbo99

So you can shift your car AT redline and never lift off the throttle and get it in the next gear withoit it hitting the revlimiter? Only way you can is if you removes the limiter in your tune.

Just because it is beyond your ability, does not make it impossible.

[Turbo99]

I just want someone to tell me how they do it. I have not tried it because it not worth doing, and mechanically impossible to not hit the limiter if you shift at respond unless you just raise the limiter to a retarded set point or remove it.

[pouncer72]

There's a reason you run 11.25 @ 145 with 640 rwhp, and it isn't because you're a good driver.

[Turbo99]

Originally Posted by pouncer72

There's a reason you run 11.25 @ 145 with 640 rwhp, and it isn't because you're a good driver.

Who runs 11.25 @ 145? I only have a dyno that says that, I think my car is closer to 600-620, we use the dyno as a tuning tool. My car traps 124-126 mph. I have 20"wheels and have yet to lower to air below 25 psi so I have to think my car on some 17"-18" tire would be 10's all day long.

I don't claim to be a good driver, I am just asking HOW CAN YOU NOT HIT THE LIMITER IF YOU NEVER LET OFF AND SHIFT JUST BEFORE THE LIMTER? not one person has gave a legit answer.....because you can't do it, sur eyou can bounce your car off the limiter but iin the end your putting wear and tear on things that is not necessary, that is all I am saying, to gain what at best a 10th if that?

[Turbo99]

Originally Posted by pouncer72

There's a reason you run 11.25 @ 145 with 640 rwhp, and it isn't because you're a good driver.

Not to mention your talking smack and not even running a standard you got a slush box and only 4ths faster with skinnies..LOL my car still has stock wheels.

[Higgs Boson]

lol at this thread. so much misinformation.

[Jims73z]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

lol at this thread. so much misinformation.

Wade in, all info is welcome

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Turbo99

Who runs 11.25 @ 145? I only have a dyno that says that, I think my car is closer to 600-620, we use the dyno as a tuning tool. My car traps 124-126 mph. I have 20"wheels and have yet to lower to air below 25 psi so I have to think my car on some 17"-18" tire would be 10's all day long.

I don't claim to be a good driver, I am just asking HOW CAN YOU NOT HIT THE LIMITER IF YOU NEVER LET OFF AND SHIFT JUST BEFORE THE LIMTER? not one person has gave a legit answer.....because you can't do it, sur eyou can bounce your car off the limiter but iin the end your putting wear and tear on things that is not necessary, that is all I am saying, to gain what at best a 10th if that?

How do I do it? Simple. I wind it up, keep the gas down, push the clutch in at the same time as I pull/push the shifting lever and just before I'm fully in gear, I start the release clutch maneuver. Repeat as needed. I don't really put that much mental thought or effort in to it. It's all committed to muscle memory and kinda just happens.

I'm a little irritated that you've been calling me out over something I do all the time and have been doing for years and you yourself has yet to even try it. Yeah, you're totally qualified to call BS on me.

I also ran on OE 20" wheel/tires up until just very recently when I switched to TSWs and OE tires...

[Turbo99]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

How do I do it? Simple. I wind it up, keep the gas down, push the clutch in at the same time as I pull/push the shifting lever and just before I'm fully in gear, I start the release clutch maneuver. Repeat as needed. I don't really put that much mental thought or effort in to it. It's all committed to muscle memory and kinda just happens.

I'm a little irritated that you've been calling me out over something I do all the time and have been doing for years and you yourself has yet to even try it. Yeah, you're totally qualified to call BS on me.

I also ran on OE 20" wheel/tires up until just very recently when I switched to TSWs and OE tires...

I called out pouncer ( he is running an auto) not you. So in that time you "wind it up" to what RPM and where is your rev limiter set. I am not saying you can't shift the car at WOT wuthout lifting I am saying you will hit the rev. limiter if you do everytime, unless you raised the limiter really high or removed it. There is no way you can't run the car to redline(which is just before limiter normally) and disingage the clutch at WOT without hitting the limiter.

[pouncer72]

Originally Posted by Turbo99

I called out pouncer ( he is running an auto) not you. So in that time you "wind it up" to what RPM and where is your rev limiter set. I am not saying you can't shift the car at WOT wuthout lifting I am saying you will hit the rev. limiter if you do everytime, unless you raised the limiter really high or removed it. There is no way you can't run the car to redline(which is just before limiter normally) and disingage the clutch at WOT without hitting the limiter.

Guess you'll just be slow forever.

[Turbo99]

Originally Posted by pouncer72

Guess you'll just be slow forever.

Or I can put a auto in like you did and be a couple tenths faster and tell everyone how to drive a stick.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Turbo99

I called out pouncer ( he is running an auto) not you. So in that time you "wind it up" to what RPM and where is your rev limiter set. I am not saying you can't shift the car at WOT wuthout lifting I am saying you will hit the rev. limiter if you do everytime, unless you raised the limiter really high or removed it. There is no way you can't run the car to redline(which is just before limiter normally) and disingage the clutch at WOT without hitting the limiter.

You can set the limiter in the tune when the clutch is in to 4 or 5K. When you push the clutch in to shift it blips 4 grand and when you let it out it's the normal 6600 or whatever limiter.

It's sort of a built in no-lift-shift feature. But it requires a tune.

[epstein]

I think both parties are missing something very important when regarding driving style. Those of us who are non stock (turbos superchargers monster cams ) have engines that respond differently than those who are stock for the most part. Unless you have drastically changed the induction of air and fuel and hence changing the way a Vehicle revs then your diving style is completely different.

The driving style and shift capabilities changes drastically when you have a fast revving motor and one who's torque builds quickly. Traction and finesse become very important otherwise you have a smoke show and one who is more of a liability than quick.

Just my .02 before you guys sling any more sh*t

Brian

[Turbo99]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

You can set the limiter in the tune when the clutch is in to 4 or 5K. When you push the clutch in to shift it blips 4 grand and when you let it out it's the normal 6600 or whatever limiter.

It's sort of a built in no-lift-shift feature. But it requires a tune.

I agree, as I said you WILL hit the limiter if you do this. I don't care for my to be in the limiter, it is not the healthiest thing to do. When tour in the limiter it cuts spark so tour next combustion cycle will be richer and prolly burn more through the pipes and start killing your cats also. Just my opinion, if someone wants slam gears at WOT then go for it but you don't gain any time from it that's worth the wear.

[ParisTNDude]

I had to think long and hard about this question and I think I power shift (no lift) if I think I'm losing or it's close and lift shift when I'm winning. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.