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Old 09-17-2012, 04:04 PM   #29
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ZL1 beat by GT500's yes.. m3's? Not a chance..
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:17 PM   #30
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Let's not overlook this sweet little quote, "Neither is a pure driver’s car, in any form (though the Boss 302 comes very close, we’ll admit)"

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Not this driver. Needs more guts. I'll stick with the ZL1 or GT500. Sorry.
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:24 PM   #31
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But I'd like to know what they're comparing with when they say "driver's car". Do they mean, like the M3 that a base Mustang GT beat in Motortrend's comparo? Or the Mercedes AMG that doesn't come close to the ZL1's 'Ring time?

I'd have to guess "Caterham 7" with whatever 200-ish HP engine they're using these days.

No, it's nowhere near as all-around useful as either of the ponycars in question here, but utility isn't the point of a pure "driver's car".


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Old 09-17-2012, 04:50 PM   #32
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90% of the guys who buy these two cars are parking lot chest thumpers so the GT500 wins that hands down.

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Old 09-17-2012, 06:04 PM   #33
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I'm a ZL1 kinda guy, but the GT500 is hotness no doubt.

Oh, and that ZL1 picture.

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Old 09-17-2012, 06:10 PM   #34
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ZL1 beat by GT500's yes.. m3's? Not a chance..
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:48 PM   #35
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Then if it is close performance wise ,Then the winner is the Camaro tiebreaker goes to looks and the Mustang does not even come close , The Camaro is way cooler/sexier/headturner/and complament getter. They cant beat the looks no matter what they put in between the legs.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:49 PM   #36
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I think what's generally considered a "drivers car" is something with precise steering that gives great feedback; balanced neutral handling with precise turn-in on corners where the car just goes where you point it without understeer or oversteer, yet either of those conditions can be induced with throttle control; great seat-of-the-pants feel as to what the car is doing while cornering; quick crisp throttle response and control; great brakes that give you exactly what you want in direct proportion to how hard you push the pedal; great easy-to-read instrumentation that gives you exactly the information you need with just a quick glance; a smooth, short-throw, solid-position-in-each-gear shifter for the transmission; superb gearing and ratios between the trans and diff so that you aren't over-geared or under-geared; just the right amount of exhaust note, volume and sound feedback from the mechanicals and tires (not too quiet); great seats that comfortably hold you in place but aren't too soft so you can still feel what the car's doing.

Those are just some of the things that come to mind. As you can see, not an easy list to check off for a car builder but if the Camaro team does the Z/28 right, it will be that champion drivers car driving enthusiasts have dreamed of.
Great description!
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:58 PM   #37
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very subjective article no real concrete support on each vehicles performance. I could care less on what vehicle felt better, its all about performance numbers. At least the ZL1 driver will be comfortable when they are beat by m3's & GT500's.
"could care less...what vehicle felt better"

That is a very very strange comment.

"it's all about performance numbers"

I guess your into dyno-queens.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:26 PM   #38
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Great description!
The Sion FRS/Subaru BRZ are both considered to be great driving cars with good driving dynamics and everything being in proportion (performance wise).
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:47 PM   #39
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Skip to the second car.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:51 PM   #40
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Wow! Thought MF loved the GT500...apparently NOT!
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I think what's generally considered a "drivers car" is something with precise steering that gives great feedback; balanced neutral handling with precise turn-in on corners where the car just goes where you point it without understeer or oversteer, yet either of those conditions can be induced with throttle control; great seat-of-the-pants feel as to what the car is doing while cornering; quick crisp throttle response and control; great brakes that give you exactly what you want in direct proportion to how hard you push the pedal; great easy-to-read instrumentation that gives you exactly the information you need with just a quick glance; a smooth, short-throw, solid-position-in-each-gear shifter for the transmission; superb gearing and ratios between the trans and diff so that you aren't over-geared or under-geared; just the right amount of exhaust note, volume and sound feedback from the mechanicals and tires (not too quiet); great seats that comfortably hold you in place but aren't too soft so you can still feel what the car's doing.
Which is why Porsches cost so damn much!!!!
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I like the term "brutally fast cars", especially when it comes to American muscle cars. Good reading.
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