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Old 09-17-2012, 11:08 PM   #43
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This makes me want a GT500 even more. That's what makes me like cars. Being scared is part of the excitement.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:17 PM   #44
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This makes me want a GT500 even more. That's what makes me like cars. Being scared is part of the excitement.
With the Venom GT sure, its scary fast.

With the GT500, its too much engine for the chassis and he states (and so has others) that it doesn't have enough brakes. That isn't scary fast, because you are trying to slow down and can't..... thats just a poorly engineered car.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:01 AM   #45
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With the GT500, its too much engine for the chassis and he states (and so has others) that it doesn't have enough brakes. That isn't scary fast, because you are trying to slow down and can't..... thats just a poorly engineered car.
Many people race GT500s and they swap to race pads and dot4 brake fluid which solves the problem. Does anyone seriously races on a track without race pads anyway?
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:58 AM   #46
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90% of the guys who buy these two cars are parking lot chest thumpers so the GT500 wins that hands down.

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Old 09-18-2012, 07:07 AM   #47
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With the Venom GT sure, its scary fast.

With the GT500, its too much engine for the chassis and he states (and so has others) that it doesn't have enough brakes. That isn't scary fast, because you are trying to slow down and can't..... thats just a poorly engineered car.
There have been many conflicting reports about the brakes on the GT500. It sound like it's a pretty simple fix. Besides I don't know where in the streets that you would ever push that car hard enough to where out the brakes without ending up in jail. I think for whatever reason that guy is full of crap. there are many people that have these cars and do run them at tracks with very little problems. Maybe that skinhead just doesn't know how to drive. That three wheeled car and the first gen Viper are the only two cars on that list that I completely agree with.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:12 AM   #48
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Many people race GT500s and they swap to race pads and dot4 brake fluid which solves the problem. Does anyone seriously races on a track without race pads anyway?

I'm sure there are, I would bet there are people on this site that do just that on the weekend with OEM pads.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:42 AM   #49
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Had a 2010 GT500 and drove it for 2 years. Loved the car but at high speeds when turning or changing lanes the car had a lot of vertical motion. I like excitement as much as the next guy and am always up for a challenge but it was frustrating to have to back off because of this. Lost several races as a result. The car just didn't feel planted above 80 mph with any imperfection on the road surface. Night and day different feeling from the ZL1..
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:48 AM   #50
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Besides I don't know where in the streets that you would ever push that car hard enough to where out the brakes without ending up in jail. I think for whatever reason that guy is full of crap. there are many people that have these cars and do run them at tracks with very little problems. Maybe that skinhead just doesn't know how to drive. That three wheeled car and the first gen Viper are the only two cars on that list that I completely agree with.
I'm inclined to agree with most of that and that the video was all about finding fodder to crack jokes over (like the lame dig at the Viper's side curtains that he's too young to understand). The most consistent theme through the video was too much power - whether that was too much power relative to the chassis or the tires or too much outright being secondary. To me, that says "too much power for skinhead to consistently stay within HIS limits with".

I'd go a little further and suggest that he's been brainwashed into believing that letting the nannies have ultimate override authority over the driver would be a good thing.

If he's so afraid that 600-ish HP in a Shelby Cobra was too much for him to drive it that 11th time or that 662 is too many for the GT500's live axle on a bumpy corner, he shouldn't even be thinking of cracking the whip on all of them. It really is that simple.



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Old 09-18-2012, 09:37 AM   #51
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I stopped watching when he said, "Cars that are more dangerous than heart disease."

Heart disease kills almost 1 in 4 Americans per year. That is ~616,000 people per year.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:07 AM   #52
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Hopefully there tests are valid as they don't even know how many valves the zl1 has.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:23 AM   #53
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I stopped watching when he said, "Cars that are more dangerous than heart disease."

Heart disease kills almost 1 in 4 Americans per year. That is ~616,000 people per year.
There is a flaw in your statement.... there are more then three hundred million Americans. If it killed almost one in four every year that would be seventy five million each year roughly.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:58 PM   #54
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There is a flaw in your statement.... there are more then three hundred million Americans. If it killed almost one in four every year that would be seventy five million each year roughly.
You're right, I should have rephrased it. Heart disease accounts for nearly 1 out of 4 deaths in America. http://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

The point is that none of those cars are remotely close to being as dangerous as heart disease. Maybe as dangerous as Varicella (chickenpox) in adults, but not heart disease.
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:11 PM   #55
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You're right, I should have rephrased it. Heart disease accounts for nearly 1 out of 4 deaths in America. http://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

The point is that none of those cars are remotely close to being as dangerous as heart disease. Maybe as dangerous as Varicella (chickenpox) in adults, but not heart disease.
I have one word for ya'; hyperbole
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:13 PM   #56
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Drive a Porsche Cayman for a couple days and then get into either of these cars and you might fully understand what they mean by "driver's car". But, all things considered, I would rather own either of these than ANY other country's best.
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