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Old 08-22-2012, 11:06 PM   #51
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Terrible idea.. Why not just buy an auto if that is a real concern?
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:33 PM   #52
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I was riding with a friend in his 2013 M6 SS....from a stop sign on a steep hill...the "assist" held the car back as we tried to pull away...killed the car.
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Old 08-23-2012, 11:40 AM   #53
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I posted this in the ZL-1 forum, too. The hill assist on my 2013 does not disengage upon throttle application. I've learned to wait a half second or so then ride the clutch a bit until I can feel the brakes have released. Not ideal. You can also wait until you start moving in the wrong direction, but that defeats the purpose. If you're too eager to get moving, you'll stall or peel out.

It's too bad; I like the idea behind the feature. I'm hopeful Chevy will release a software update to fix the problem. After all, the owner's manual states that the brakes will be released upon throttle activation.

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Old 08-23-2012, 12:14 PM   #54
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To the title of this thread and as far as my wife and I are concerned, such systems are needless and represent a clear step back.
Of our 90 years combined driving experience, the last 80 have been all but exclusively with manual transmission cars. Plenty of basis for opinion.


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Terrible idea.. Why not just buy an auto if that is a real concern?
Because for some people, stepping down to an automatic transmission is a deal-breaker all by itself. Even if you like everything else about the car.

On more than one occasion, my wife and I have eliminated otherwise very good cars from consideration over their unavailability with manual transmission. This'll probably happen again.

Her 2010 Legacy 2.5GT (6MT) has a similar hill-hold feature, but at least Subaru left it up to the driver to activate the system by conscious choice. Neither of us has ever have turned it on other than from accidentally hitting its switch instead of one of the other nearby switches that we meant to hit instead. Probably never will choose to use it. Cars never needed to and simply shouldn't have to work that way.



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Old 08-23-2012, 12:49 PM   #55
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It's too bad; I like the idea behind the feature. I'm hopeful Chevy will release a software update to fix the problem. After all, the owner's manual states that the brakes will be released upon throttle activation.
The brakes definitely do NOT release upon throttle application, I just got done testing it on my car. It seems like they release upon slow clutch engagement, or perhaps forward motion. Release the clutch too fast and you'll beat the brake release and stall the car. A fix or a way to disable the system is definitely needed here.
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Old 08-23-2012, 12:59 PM   #56
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I was riding with a friend in his 2013 M6 SS....from a stop sign on a steep hill...the "assist" held the car back as we tried to pull away...killed the car.
I resemble that remark... I was really hoping this wouldn't be the case, but having owned manuals nearly exclusively for the past 21 years, I should have not stalled it fighting the damn hill assist. If you recall attempt #2 resulted in that lovely burning clutch smell as it had to fight the damn system again...
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:31 PM   #57
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I will be picking up a 2013 manual in a couple months and this thread makes me a little disappointed. I'm hoping it can be tuned out, but a tune is not something I want to do anytime soon. :(
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:34 PM   #58
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Can anyone with the hill assist make a video showing how it works?
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:19 PM   #59
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I will be picking up a 2013 manual in a couple months and this thread makes me a little disappointed. I'm hoping it can be tuned out, but a tune is not something I want to do anytime soon. :(
I wouldn't hold your breath for a fix anytime soon...GM will no doubt ingnore this just like they have the octane table/fuse pull issue for the last 3 years or so...

Get an after-market tune out for something to work the way it should, and there goes your warranty...Also this hill assist may have too many liability issues for any after-market tuners to want to mess with...my $.02
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:19 PM   #60
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I'm thinking I wouldn't like it. Much like skipshift, it throws a wrench in the gears and makes you think too much instead of just enjoying the car. Too many assists and driving starts to feel like work.
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:28 PM   #61
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I wouldn't hold your breath for a fix anytime soon...GM will no doubt ingnore this just like they have the octane table/fuse pull issue for the last 3 years or so...
I don't see how GM can ignore it. I wouldn't have purchased the car if I had encountered the HSA on a test drive. This won't be good for sales when people hear about it, and more importantly experience it first hand on a test drive.
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:30 PM   #62
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I will be picking up a 2013 manual in a couple months and this thread makes me a little disappointed. I'm hoping it can be tuned out, but a tune is not something I want to do anytime soon. :(

I agree. I have been on this site for a while lurking around and my order for my 2013 is almost going to ship. I hope it is not as bad as everyone says it is. I have always driven a manual but from what I am reading even the pros are stalling because of it.
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:35 PM   #63
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I don't see how GM can ignore it. I wouldn't have purchased the car if I had encountered the HSA on a test drive. This won't be good for sales when people hear about it, and more importantly experience it first hand on a test drive.
Maybe then the only thing I would suggest is you guys taking your cars back and start raising hell with the dealers..."I stall out every time on a hill!!...WTF???...This isn't hill assist...It's automatic hill stall-out!!!!"....
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:16 AM   #64
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A step back in my opinion. I've only had the car three days but I do NOT like this feature. I haven't stalled a manual car on a hill in over 20 years, but I've stalled this one half a dozen times. If anyone can figure out how to turn this feature off I'd love to know.
I'm with you, I hate this feature. I know how to drive stick on a damn hill. The brake stays engaged after I'm giving it gas - just totally crazy.

Cest la vie, I'll have to adapt I suppose
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:21 AM   #65
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Could be wishful thinking, but maybe they thought ahead and have the hill assist with it's own fuse so a simple fuse pull would disable it?
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:59 AM   #66
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"The brakes will automatically release when the accelerator pedal is applied within the two-second window. "

That is from the owner's manual. Sounds like they need recalibrate it if it's not actally releasing at the touch of the throttle. But then I don't see how it would work if it did release then. When you first rev the motor, your going to roll back into the car behind you if your not quick on the clutch.

Please shit can this feature for '14/'15 when I may be getting my next one.
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:32 AM   #67
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I was riding with a friend in his 2013 M6 SS....from a stop sign on a steep hill...the "assist" held the car back as we tried to pull away...killed the car.
I've had the same issue here several times now and getting very annoid by it. After owning the car for a month I am ready to trade it off. The Corvettes don't have this feature so why did Goober Motors put it on the ZL1? The delay takes too long to disengage.

Gosh Dang Fire.............
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:41 AM   #68
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Just a thought...Maybe the key to working around it is what makes it come on in the first place?...A gyro-scope? A level?...Does it sense rolling backwards while in gear, then applies? Maybe the way around it is if possible, never come to a complete stop, or if you do, be in nuetral?....
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:56 AM   #69
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I've got a 2013 1LS. Been driving manuals my whole life, so I know how to take off on a hill. I'm not sure what people are talking about with this two second thing. I've got a stop light on a hill on my way to work, so I know how this operates. If I take off perfectly, I don't even know the brake assist is there. In fact, it wasn't until my second week owning the car that I realized it even had one. I only realized it was a feature one day when I didn't notice the normal slight roll back you get if you are engaging casually.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:13 AM   #70
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I hate the hill assist. It caused me to stall my car twice while trying to pull into my garage. I tried to go and the car wouldn't because the hill assist had activated then when the car was finally ready to move I wasn't and it stalled.

I have figured out how to keep it from engaging though. If you are on hill keep it out of gear and the brake pressed until you are ready to go. For those that are well versed in take offs on hills it should be a piece of cake for you.

Keeping a car from rolling on most hills is easy if you know how far you need to release the clutch for the car to go forward on its own without using the accelerator. Once you understand that when on hill all you have to do is release the clutch to that point and the car won't roll, you won't have to rev it, and won't have to use the brake to keep the car from rolling back when you are ready to take off.

When I'm on hills the only time I've ever used the brake is when I pull it out of gear waiting for a light and when I know the light is about to change I would put it in gear and do what I described above.

Hopefully everything I said makes sense.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:22 AM   #71
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I hate the hill assist. It caused me to stall my car twice while trying to pull into my garage. I tried to go and the car wouldn't because the hill assist had activated then when the car was finally ready to move I wasn't and it stalled.

I have figured out how to keep it from engaging though. If you are on hill keep it out of gear and the brake pressed until you are ready to go. For those that are well versed in take offs on hills it should be a piece of cake for you.

Keeping a car from rolling on most hills is easy if you know how far you need to release the clutch for the car to go forward on its own without using the accelerator. Once you understand that when on hill all you have to do is release the clutch to that point and the car won't roll, you won't have to rev it, and won't have to use the brake to keep the car from rolling back when you are ready to take off.

When I'm on hills the only time I've ever used the brake is when I pull it out of gear waiting for a light and when I know the light is about to change I would put it in gear and do what I described above.

Hopefully everything I said makes sense.
Your going to burn the clutch up using it as a hill hold. Use the E brake instead.
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Old 10-06-2012, 12:18 PM   #72
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I hate this feature. It's the only thing I found about the car that I truly dislike. It has caused me to stall as well.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:26 PM   #73
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I also do not like this feature. I had it on several Subies in the mid 80's but it seemed to release the brakes as I engaged the clutch. The camaro is definitely not doing that- or releasing with accel. I have stalled multiple times- defeating the purpose of the feature. I have learned to not put it in gear while the brake is on, similar to what Rockamakis is doing above. This needs to be addressed by GM. I still love this car, though.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:26 PM   #74
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Another bay area driver here. Some of those inclines in SF is just ridiculous. I swear, a few were 60 degrees or more. Trust me, on those you need the hand brakes. I also hate people that rid your ass on tjose hills. It's obvious those idiots knows nothing about manual transmission cars. IMO the hill assist would hinder me as I have been driving stick since I began driving so I can get on the throttle in less than 1 second. But for some people that don't have fast footwork, I can see it as a very good thing. IMO there should be a switch to turn it on or off.
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:02 AM   #75
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IMO there should be a switch to turn it on or off.
With a way to set the default-on-startup to either 'on' or 'off', whichever way you want.

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