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Old 10-13-2012, 11:40 AM   #101
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Sh!t happens dude. Last month the aftermarket heads on my truck warped causing a head gasket to blow. After pulling the heads I found the valve seals pulled out of the heads and rode up the valve stems. Upon further inspection I found the inner valve springs to be broken damaging the spring pads. I guess my cam is too big...:screwy:
So instead of machining the heads and replacing/upgrading the whole valve train, I chose to just buy a whole new set of heads and now the engine runs better than before.

Let me know how it turns out for ya

Oh and good call on dropping the under drive pulleys. I don't see a point using them on a street driven vehicle.

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Old 10-13-2012, 04:46 PM   #102
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Thanks. I will. Sorry to hear about your truck. Should have it end of next week because of work. The pulley only adds 5-7 hp. But I got caught up on the cam kit and it was needed to make the listed HP.
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Old 10-13-2012, 06:18 PM   #104
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I cammed it again. I loved it! Hope I made the right decision. It will be hard to look at her with that same level of love and trust though. I will feel like I am looking at a pregnant bastard step daughter

Just keep in mind that ...it's not her fault that she is what you called her ....
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Old 10-13-2012, 07:31 PM   #106
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Don't feel bad. Mine can home from the track today on a flatbed. Actually my trailer but that's close enough. Something happened on the second pass down the tract. Ill be leaving it at Teds tomorrow. Hopefully it's a quick fix. I need it Tuesday am to race in KY.
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Old 10-13-2012, 07:42 PM   #107
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Old 10-13-2012, 07:48 PM   #108
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Max, PM me if you don't mind. I plan a cam install this winter, and would like to know what you did for a cam, chain and oil pump. Thx...
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Old 10-13-2012, 07:58 PM   #109
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I allways made sure I put a good double roller timing chain on my small block chevies I built. Though the engines may be more complicated now than in the past they are still the same when it comes to push rod engines.......
Your push rods were replaced right? they are likely to have been bent and stressed....Did you look at your pistons? Valves can bite the top of pistons pretty hard, but you did not really skip timing as compaired to loosing it all together. I do not know if the pistons come with reliefs in them and if they are domed or flat of what.........People need to know that aluminum expands and contracts more than cast iron so heads and other critical tolerances need to be retorqued.....I used to do them every 50-70 thousand miles on my cast iron blocks. And throw out old pitted performance intakes that pit from the antifreeze over time..( like 100K+). unlike redecking a head the shaving of a intake is not an option. And retorquing the headers was a every few months task due to thier expansion and contraction and the shaking of the engine ......Oh how I miss the nice lope of my last 406....well my zl1 will fix that. Good luck to you...I would want to look at the engine when it was tore down if it was me is all I am saying to check the cylinder bores and pistons etc etc and make sure i had a magnetic plug in the fresh oil in the pan.
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I was told the rods were fine. We used hardened rods with the cam install. I was told there was one small nick in a piston that was polished out. Hoping lightning doesnt strike twice.
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I allways made sure I put a good double roller timing chain on my small block chevies I built. Though the engines may be more complicated now than in the past they are still the same when it comes to push rod engines.......
Your push rods were replaced right? they are likely to have been bent and stressed....Did you look at your pistons? Valves can bite the top of pistons pretty hard, but you did not really skip timing as compaired to loosing it all together. I do not know if the pistons come with reliefs in them and if they are domed or flat of what.........People need to know that aluminum expands and contracts more than cast iron so heads and other critical tolerances need to be retorqued.....I used to do them every 50-70 thousand miles on my cast iron blocks. And throw out old pitted performance intakes that pit from the antifreeze over time..( like 100K+). unlike redecking a head the shaving of a intake is not an option. And retorquing the headers was a every few months task due to thier expansion and contraction and the shaking of the engine ......Oh how I miss the nice lope of my last 406....well my zl1 will fix that. Good luck to you...I would want to look at the engine when it was tore down if it was me is all I am saying to check the cylinder bores and pistons etc etc and make sure i had a magnetic plug in the fresh oil in the pan.
Unfortunately I am just a guy without car knowledge but I have a credit card. I trust my builder.
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I did go back to the stock pulley in place of the SLP under pulley because harmonics plays a big role in breaking chains ( from another thread)
most chain failures you hear about the person also has a under pulley. This makes me feel better about my stock chain.

also glad to see you cammed it again, i personally couldn't do it again lol. but you are living more than me! haha
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Do you think it was a bad idea to do it again?

I did a lot of research and posted lots of questions but I never heard anything about the pulley failing a chain.
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Do you think it was a bad idea to do it again?
honestly depends on the person. I personally would never cam another car again. i have been cammed for about 2 years, at first i loved it. but the extra care you have to give the engine is at times annoying. i had a spring failure on mine. i had to also do a leak down test etc... nothing else was broke.

So far the car is a money pit, and i will need to upgrade and replace things as the engine ages more so than a stock engine. and i read about things that happen to other cam owners, its not fun at times lol
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Maybe I didn't do enough research? What extra care do I have to give it?
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Do you think it was a bad idea to do it again?

I did a lot of research and posted lots of questions but I never heard anything about the pulley failing a chain.
MAX, Glad to hear the car is on the mend...

Is it a bad idea to cam it again... Heck No... There are aftermarket chains out there, like the Katech I think you mentioned you are using this time around, that are much better quality than the factory chains...

I really do understand the empty garage syndrome... Hopefully mine will be home from the latest round of mods and getting her ready for the Texas Mile...

Your responses and attitude in here indicate to me you are first class... Good luck and let us know your impressions of the new version...
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MAX, Glad to hear the car is on the mend...

Is it a bad idea to cam it again... Heck No... There are aftermarket chains out there, like the Katech I think you mentioned you are using this time around, that are much better quality than the factory chains...

I really do understand the empty garage syndrome... Hopefully mine will be home from the latest round of mods and getting her ready for the Texas Mile...

Your responses and attitude in here indicate to me you are first class... Good luck and let us know your impressions of the new version...

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Maybe I didn't do enough research? What extra care do I have to give it?
If the car is modded by a competent shop, and you don't go overboard with power like some of us goofballs, then the only additional care is what most of the Camaro owners on this site perform... keep the oil clean, check the fluids regularly... as opposed to those that put gas in it, never change or even check the oil and fluid levels and drive it until it quits and then wonder what happened...

A moderately cammed car with intake and exhaust upgrades should last you many many miles and years with no more trouble than a stock vehicle...
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Maybe I didn't do enough research? What extra care do I have to give it?
well for one, you have to replace springs. but nobody can give you a real time when you change them. Its about how you drive. Its a guessing game with springs, you have to check pressure of them like every year or so. to be safe.

also you must let your car warm up, more so than a stock engine. as the heavy duty springs do not like to be cold. that is why mine broke.

Think about if you had these problem away from home. i am like you, i cannot do my own work. if i had a problem and was not close to home/shop. i would have to have it towed all the way to shop. so thats annoying at times when wanting to take my car on trips. its not like you can just go to a local chevy dealership and have her all ready next day what ever town you are in.

pretty much you cam a car. you pray nothing happens. which is not how roll. personally. but of course the failure rates are somewhat low overall.

again this my view point
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Ok Mike that makes sense. I never gave warm up much of a thought but I will let it sit longer. I also never knew about checking spring pressure. I will add that. I wish there was a sticky of yearly inspections for cammed cars for those who have little knowledge. Maybe someone can make one explaining all the extra's of caring for cammed cars? Like I have said many times, I don;t beat on the car, never race it, smoke the tires or red line. Sometimes just for fun I will wind out 1 thru 4 but shift around 5,000ish rpms. Maybe I will lower my shift point to 4,000?


SSE I used a name brand shop and have no issues witht he shop at all. They did a good job on the initial install and have really helped me out on the rebuild.

I did the JRE cam package which included

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You're in good hands then... Ted is top notch... I believe you were just a bitten victim of a chain...

Talk to Ted about any additional items of care he recommends. He will steer you in the right direction....
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You're in good hands then... Ted is top notch... I believe you were just a bitten victim of a chain...

Talk to Ted about any additional items of care he recommends. He will steer you in the right direction....

That's good to hear.
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You're in good hands then... Ted is top notch... I believe you were just a bitten victim of a chain...

Talk to Ted about any additional items of care he recommends. He will steer you in the right direction....
keeping in mind my "extra" care from ted, who is also my cam suppler.
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Nice! I love that spoiler
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