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Old 10-18-2012, 01:01 AM   #18
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The fuel pressure regulator isn't on the pump, so pressure should stay the same. The ZL1 pump just allows more volume if needed.
So what tells the pump to up the power to keep the pressure up at WOT?

Must be a default setting that isn't changed in a tune.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:02 AM   #19
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Pulse width modulation computer sends a duty cycle to the pump that's how the pressure is controlled


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Ok. So it's a standard and unchanging process.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:08 AM   #20
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I'm not sure exactly how it works, I just know it does. lol Keeping all things the same except for swapping to the ZL1 pump, no tune would be needed.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:25 AM   #21
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I am just a hair under 650rwhp now and I'm just running the ZL1 pump, no BAP. Fuel pressure is perfect and the new injectors aren't even having to work for it. I think they were at 53% duty cycle or something crazy like that.


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Old 10-18-2012, 06:36 AM   #22
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I have a whipple, cam and headers with 4.11 gears. I was looking at the aeromotive fuel pump. If I am going to pay the labor to install the pump, would it be better to go ahead and pay a little more to get a stronger pump? Or is the OEM set up more than enough and better quality?

Should I also swap my fuel injectors? I have the injectors that came with the kit. Thanks in advance.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:22 AM   #23
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So what tells the pump to up the power to keep the pressure up at WOT?

Must be a default setting that isn't changed in a tune.
You add the ZR1 MAP sensor and it tells the ECM when you are in boost which increases the PW to the pump. I have the BAP also.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:40 AM   #24
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I am at 665 rwhp with the ZL-1 fuel pump and the BAP off. Fuel pressure is perfect. I am also glad I installed an access door under the rear seat. If I ever have a problem or want to up grade my fuel pump it will only take 15 minutes.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:43 AM   #25
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I am at 665 rwhp with the ZL-1 fuel pump and the BAP off. Fuel pressure is perfect. I am also glad I installed an access door under the rear seat. If I ever have a problem or want to up grade my fuel pump it will only take 15 minutes.
Would you be able to take a few pics of the access door? After changing out my tank twice, I would gladly cut the hole for easier access. Make a 5-6 hour project into 15 minutes sounds great....

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Old 10-18-2012, 10:22 AM   #26
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Would you be able to take a few pics of the access door? After changing out my tank twice, I would gladly cut the hole for easier access. Make a 5-6 hour project into 15 minutes sounds great....

Thanks.
Angel this is not for everyone, but I am so glad I did it to my car. With the tool it takes me 15 min to replace the pump.

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Old 10-18-2012, 10:34 AM   #27
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hmmm with some spray foam after your done around the seam or sound deadner like most of us have done in our vehivles This is very conceivable
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:54 AM   #28
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hmmm with some spray foam after your done around the seam or sound deadner like most of us have done in our vehivles This is very conceivable
I seal it with black latex caulk, once the seat is on you don't see or hear anything.
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:11 AM   #29
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You add the ZR1 MAP sensor and it tells the ECM when you are in boost which increases the PW to the pump. I have the BAP also.
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I am at 665 rwhp with the ZL-1 fuel pump and the BAP off. Fuel pressure is perfect. I am also glad I installed an access door under the rear seat. If I ever have a problem or want to up grade my fuel pump it will only take 15 minutes.


OMG, I'm sooooooo doing it that way.

Assuming there is not structural weakening.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:23 PM   #30
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Sorry to confuse you. I have a BAP installed, but to be honest it may be turned off. Mike Norris did the install, and the BAP came with the whipple kit. I know it's in there but I don't know if it's doing anything. He also installed a ZL1 pump at my request. If you would like, shoot me a PM or give him a call. He told me that I have no fuel delivery issues with the setup, which was my concern. He said with my mods I already had, the stock pump would be questionable. It's also my understanding that when you I nstall the zl1 pump and a ZR1 map sensor it increases the pulse width on the pump under boost to increase the volume and pressure. Our cars do this already, but the stock MAP sensor doesn't have the range to allow for boost.

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Sorry to confuse you. I have a BAP installed, but to be honest it may be turned off. Mike Norris did the install, and the BAP came with the whipple kit. I know it's in there but I don't know if it's doing anything. He also installed a ZL1 pump at my request. If you would like, shoot me a PM or give him a call. He told me that I have no fuel delivery issues with the setup, which was my concern. He said with my mods I already had, the stock pump would be questionable. It's also my understanding that when you I nstall the zl1 pump and a ZR1 map sensor it increases the pulse width on the pump under boost to increase the volume and pressure. Our cars do this already, but the stock MAP sensor doesn't have the range to allow for boost.

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I do have a ZR1 MAP sensor but need to get a ZL1 fuel pump.

So have we figured out wether the ZL1 pump needs to be tuned for?
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If I read everyones comments correctly, sounds like adding the ZL1 pump can be done as a plug and go with no retune required. If you replace the stock MAP (which the maggie install re-uses) with a ZR1 MAP you would have to retune to take advantage of the new 3bar MAP sensor.

Correct?

By the way, thanks for all of the input. Pieces of this discussion has appeared in other areas but I appreciate the info you guys are providing, especially how well the changes appear to be working.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:27 PM   #33
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If I read everyones comments correctly, sounds like adding the ZL1 pump can be done as a plug and go with no retune required. If you replace the stock MAP (which the maggie install re-uses) with a ZR1 MAP you would have to retune to take advantage of the new 3bar MAP sensor.

Correct?

By the way, thanks for all of the input. Pieces of this discussion has appeared in other areas but I appreciate the info you guys are providing, especially how well the changes appear to be working.
You are correct.
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They do have to adjust the MAP scale in the tune for the ZR1 MAP sensor.

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