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Old 10-16-2012, 03:52 PM   #596
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You have no idea what you are missing living all the way over there.
Oh I have a pretty good Idea.... I just don't like thinking about about all the fun I'm missing out on.

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Oh I have a pretty good Idea.... I just don't like thinking about about all the fun I'm missing out on.



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Daug got a LOT of camber!

I noticed multiple threaded holes in the bottom plate, is it a 3 or 4 position deal? Or infinitely adjustable from min to max?

VERY cool stuff
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:42 PM   #599
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Dual Bearing 5th Gen Camber Plates



At Pedders, we are privileged to work with some of the best business partners in the industry. Late in 2011 we jumped in to a partnership with Lingenfelter Performance Engineering to build a winning OPTIMA Challenge Camaro. The L/28 has done exactly what we hoped it would on track. Raymond's Performance came into the picture at Camaro5FEST. With only week between a test session at Putnam Park and the FEST the L/28 passed through Bruce's shop. Bruce also had a 2010 Camaro in the OPTIMA Challenge Series. These premier Pedders Dealers worked together while competing against each other. Pedders provided developmental and track side support to both TEAMS.

The real winners are Pedders clients. With what we have learned from these two TEAMs, two different cars and numerous test drivers flows directly into the entire range of 2010 5th Gen Camaro suspension products. Pedders is proud to release Dual Bearing Camber Plates for the 5th Gen Camaro. With Forgeline 19x10.5 wheels and 305/30/19 Bridgestone tires up front we are able to get -2.5 degrees of camber with the stock clevis adjustment. As we continued to develop the Camaros around the new Z style sway bars, we found the car was more capable and required more. We used EP7265Z steel jacketed bushes in the knuckle for improved stability in the trailing arms. We developed a race only aluminum lower inner rear control arm ferule that use two 19mm banded thrust bearings for increased stability. We used an Acetyl bush for the rear mount in the differential. We altered the alignment more times than we could count. We made the Camaros better and found we needed more front grip in the turns. We needed more camber.



I was sitting in Bruce Raymond’s shop watching him Pedderise one Camaro after the next with the L/28 and his Camaro in my mind. We need more camber if we are going to compete at the Invitational. We had a couple Pedders Saleen Mustang Camber plates sent up next day air to see if they could be modified before we ran at Camaro5FEST. Bruce had a great connection to an Indy machine shop. We turned down the Mustang plates. We bored new mounting holes and thought we had a good set of test plates. They were just a bit to narrow in diameter. We had a second set turned. The fit was perfect, but we had reservations about the strength of the stud holes after the machining. The more we looked at it the more we knew they just weren’t right.

I owe a stranger from Camaro5FEST a thank you. It was after midnight. Rob Anderson was completing a Pedders spec alignment on Joe Bella’s ZL1. I called Joe’s guest over, handed him $20 and told him to come back with modeling clay. He thought it was a joke. It wasn’t. We modeled the new Camaro Camber Plates that night with the machined Mustang plate as a template. Hopefully one of the guest’s took a photo of the billet aluminum plate and clay. The plate was delivered to the machine shop in hopes we could have it turned around before the Fest. The shop did not have the aluminum stock required for the plates. The first test plate was available the next week.




Bruce at Raymond’s Performance was left with a box of experimental billet aluminum plates that didn’t fit, bored out bearings and assorted hardware: waiting for the new plates. The plates were installed the day they arrived at Raymond’s performance. That was a great phone call. “Pete you should see this.” Bruce drove around town and on track until we all got together for the next OPTIMA Qualifying event. The plates were covered under two carbon fiber disks for camouflage. Even with the hood open, very few people asked what was under them. With the change in front camber we had to change other alignment angles. Then we changed spring rates. Then we changed… The end result is we now have the Camaro setup as good as it can get.


We were testing a revised part we expected to work perfectly the first time out since we have been using a similar design in the Mustang for years with great success. It worked as planned. Then we had to turn our 'USA Skunk Works' project over to Australia for engineering approval and validation. The result is a great new product for the Camaro. Pressed into the upper aluminum spring perch is a banded sealed thrust bearing. The thrust bearing replaces the OE bearing in the OE strut mount providing silky smooth operation. A large monoball allows the strut to articulate. This precision assembly delivers an additional 1.8 degrees of negative camber. Combine the adjustment of Pedders Dual Bearing Camaro Camber Plates with the OE knuckle / clevis camber adjustment to achieve more than -4 of camber on demand. As a side benefit, the Steering Angle Inclination (SAI) improves as more camber was added from the plates.

Doug Iden, Tag-ur-It on Camaro5, has been great about allowing Pedders to final fit some components to his THR 2010 Camaro. We installed the first set of Pedders Dual bearing Camber Plates in his car on October 15, 2012. Doug is a quick study. He did the passenger side installation by himself.




1. The installation is straight forward and a string is the most important installation tool. The holes for the OE strut mount on top of the inner fenders wells is 67mm.Stretch a string across both fenders that intersects the holes down the middle.




2. With the center line established align the camber plate to the string. Pay particular attention to the spacing between the crown of the inner fender, The spacing should be equal all around with the plate aligned to the string.



3. Secure the mounts with tape. The tape holds the mount in position while you use a center punch to mark the holes.



4. We used a 11/64ths drill bit for the pilot holes and a 5/16ths for the final hole.



5. The studs for the mounting plate are splined. If you have access to a hydraulic press you can press them into the plate. If you do not have access to a press, the splines will be drawn into the aluminum plate when you tighten them. Do NOT over tighten the nuts. It is not necessary the heads of the studs be flush to the plate.



6. Check the stud nuts and all the suspension and driveline nuts and bolts to be sure they are tight before and after you track sessions.


7. The 0.00 or neutral camber position is clearly marked. Access to the adjusting screws is limited by the 67mm hole in the fender. Future adjustments can be made by loosening the three nuts and allows the strut assembly to droop down.



I cannot thank Bruce Raymond and Mike Copeland enough for thier sooperation and support with the OPTIMA Camaros. Like the Chevy Camaro, this runs deep. Our driver partners Dave Mikels, Todd Rumpke, Mark Haupfner, Danny Popp and John Buttermore are invaluable to us. The there is the support of my Pedders AU TEAM. They make me look like good no matter what.

And now you know the rest of the Pedders USA Dual Bearing Camaro Camber Plate and 5th Gen Suspension story.

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Old 10-16-2012, 05:43 PM   #600
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Daug got a LOT of camber!

I noticed multiple threaded holes in the bottom plate, is it a 3 or 4 position deal? Or infinitely adjustable from min to max?

VERY cool stuff
Infinitely adjustable from min to max -- at extreme negative or positive you have to use different holes.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:28 AM   #601
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I'm gonna need to get that 3rd job...

great stuff Pete.
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:59 AM   #602
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Are they for XA's only?
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:45 PM   #603
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Are they for XA's only?
I don't think so. Bruce Raymonds car and the L28 both run supercars.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:06 PM   #604
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Pedders Dual Bearing Camber Plates will fit any Camaro coilover with a standard 62mm ID coilover coil.
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:27 PM   #605
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The Sonic headed to the OUSCI is Ljubica Basica’s ride to High School. LJ is an honor student and cheerleader at Our Lady of the Hills High School in Kerrville, Texas. Her father (Peter Basica, President of Pedders USA, LLC) couldn’t leave his daughter’s car stock. LJ’s is a bit worried about her Sonic and has asked John Buttermore (Lead Development Engineer for the Chevrolet Sonic) tobe careful with her car.



The Sonic headed to the OUSCI is almost stock. A bone stock Sonic turns 1:47 at Gingerman. When the Motor State OPTIMA ran at Gingerman this summer the fastest drivers were Danny Popp 1:28, Todd Rumpke 1:30and Mark Stielow 1:30. Those drivers and cars aside, a stock Sonic would have been competitive: with the right driver behind the wheel. Engineers who also work on the Corvette tuned the Sonics' ride and handling, giving it a more direct feel, while balancing the vehicle for the broad range of driving conditions in North America. We have lowered and corner weighted her on Pedders GMPP Xa coilovers. Reducing the factory under steer is important for an event that includes road course and autocross. Using rear coils that are much higher in rate than our street Xa kit does just that. The engine cradle and the overall structural integrity of the Sonic create a great platform so it is no surprise that the Sonic responded exceptionally well to the suspension upgrades. We are running SRF brake fluid with Carbotech front XP 8 pads with stock rotors, rear drums and shoes.



The Ecotec 1.4L turbo’s power ratings are 138 horsepower (103 kW) and 148 lb.-ft. of torque (200 Nm) between 1,850 rpm and 4,900 rpm. The wide rpm range for the maximum torque - a specific trait of turbocharged engines - helps the engine deliver a better driving experience and performance. The 1.4L’s turbocharger is integrated within the exhaust manifold, for reduced weight and greater packaging flexibility. A reinforced crankshaft and stronger connecting rods deliver additional strength to support the engine’s pressurized power and torque over a wide rpm band. LJ’s Sonic was with an Advanced Racing Dynamics tune with 150 FWHP and 170 TQ. Track ready with driver and fuel we are just under 3,000 pounds. Boerne Stage Kustoms did the Corvette Grand Sport stripes and Victory red accents. Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position tires give the Sonic better grip.

John Buttermore is GM Engineer by profession and a racecar driver by passion. Pete and John met years ago through SCCA racing. John and I became friends. John and Pete work together well. Having John behind the wheel of a Pedderised car makes for a great day at the track every time we go to the track. John is a tremendous asset behind the wheel. His consistency lap after is remarkable. When I suggested to John we take a Sonic to the OUSCI, he did not think we had the slightest chance of going. I do not think he believed we had an invitation until I sent him a copy.

John is the reigning Back-to-Back T1 SCCA Champion in his Corvette. He knows that it takes to o fast and be fast. When Pete suggested we take the Sonic to the OPTIMA I knew we could open some eyes if we could get an invitation. The Sonic is not a traditional candidate for the event. It will be fun to run a car you can buy and build for about $20,000, and get 40 MPG during the road rally against these very different types of cars. The Sonic is the only car in its segment to achieve an overall five-star safety rating by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. It is a great small economical car that is fun to drive.



Our best modification is our driver John Buttermore. John is listed as our builder of record, which he deserves as the Lead Development Engineer for the Sonic. Pedders coilovers are a GMPP part so the Sonic is 100% Chevrolet. The level of competition is higher than last year, according to Pete. At the OUSCI, we will be up against the best and fastest streetcars in North America and outstanding drivers. Mark Stielow and his new 850 HP ultra lightweight custom built Camaro, Danny Popp (last year's OUSCI Champion,) in the Lingenfelter L/28 and Raymond's Performance Camaro are going to be very strong. Pete worked with Bruce and Mike on their Camaros all year. He knows exactly how good they are. So John and Pete had a conversation and decided to bring a sling shot to a battle of giants.



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Kudos............................. Just curious, who has the bigger PERMA GRIN driving you, or your daughter
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Kudos............................. Just curious, who has the bigger PERMA GRIN driving you, or your daughter
My daughter claims to be embarrassed by the whole thing, but that is because she is 16 and dad can't be right all the time All in all it is a really cool experience for both of us. I wanted her to come out to the event, but she has a commitment to her cheer squad. She is a TEAM player and will be with her TEAM the day we run. I am very proud of her and her decision.
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My daughter claims to be embarrassed by the whole thing, but that is because she is 16 and dad can't be right all the time All in all it is a really cool experience for both of us. I wanted her to come out to the event, but she has a commitment to her cheer squad. She is a TEAM player and will be with her TEAM the day we run. I am very proud of her and her decision.
Pete , check your EMAIL......................
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