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Old 11-16-2012, 12:06 PM   #562
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Looks nice, but you are better off with one you don't have to open to inspect. Each time it's opened contaminates the fluid some and changes the boiling point and life of fluid.

No disrespect, but sounds potentially messy and is going in reverse......adding clutch dust back into the brake reservoir, just to get it back out again. Your clutch master cylinder has really been a breakthrough for the Camaro community - can't say much more about that.

Your not adding clutch dust or any dirt into the brake reservoir. it's all clean fluid doing what i said. maybe you miss understood what i was saying.

either way your right a bigger reservoir would be nice.

Thanks, the master cylinder has really made a lot of people happy and keep their cars.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:18 PM   #563
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Looks nice, but you are better off with one you don't have to open to inspect. Each time it's opened contaminates the fluid some and changes the boiling point and life of fluid.

It looks like there is an inspection window on the side in one of the photos.

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Old 11-16-2012, 08:19 PM   #564
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It looks like there is an inspection window on the side in one of the photos.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:24 PM   #565
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Nice to see PPl like this idea, its the best mod to date that was done.

And IMO the GTO is the best of them, why its OEM to the car so you can get it any time,
dont forget a way to remove the fluid.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:43 PM   #566
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Looks nice, but you are better off with one you don't have to open to inspect. Each time it's opened contaminates the fluid some and changes the boiling point and life of fluid.
Why does anyone care about the boiling point of CLUTCH fluid? It isn't a factor in the clutch application. The fluid never comes close to the boiling point. For a BRAKE fluid application? - yes, but not for the clutch fluid.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:46 AM   #567
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Why does anyone care about the boiling point of CLUTCH fluid? It isn't a factor in the clutch application. The fluid never comes close to the boiling point. For a BRAKE fluid application? - yes, but not for the clutch fluid.
In the past I was taking readings of the clutch fluid temperature at the remote GTO reservoir and the brake fluid temperature at it's reservoir and it doesn't take very long to see substantially higher temps at the clutch reservoir. You'd be astonished at the temperature inside the bell housing that ultimately gets transferred to the clutch hydraulic system. A good grade DOT 4 in the brakes and clutch hydraulic system are the way to go, I use ATE Super Blue but there are several other great brands available.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:19 PM   #568
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I've said that from the beginning - these need to be separate. I wouldn't recommend an aluminum unit, I would do the GTO or a plastic equivalent.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:58 PM   #569
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Hey guys. I installed a Ring Brothers Reservoir on my 2010 and I didn't flush the fluid throught the clutch but I did make sure there was no air in the lines as I filled it up. But once I did get it all hooked up and filled with fluid. When I compress the clutch the fluid would shoot out of the vent on the reservoir. At first I thought I may have had to much oil as there was not a level line. But after the install I could tell the difference in shifting. I did not have any problems going into 2cnd on high RPMs. But after several months I was driving one day and my clutch stuck to the floor. I took it to the dealer. Explained to them what I had done and the mechanic looked at it the next day and told me I had air in the system but it was caused by the fluid going out the vent and allowing air to get in??? Do you believe this? They connected it back to stock and it shifts different now. I was wondering if any one can give me there opinion on this. I may have just messed up by not flushing the fluid properly and it eventually migrated into the clutch? What do ya'll think?
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Hey guys. I installed a Ring Brothers Reservoir on my 2010 and I didn't flush the fluid throught the clutch but I did make sure there was no air in the lines as I filled it up. But once I did get it all hooked up and filled with fluid. When I compress the clutch the fluid would shoot out of the vent on the reservoir. At first I thought I may have had to much oil as there was not a level line. But after the install I could tell the difference in shifting. I did not have any problems going into 2cnd on high RPMs. But after several months I was driving one day and my clutch stuck to the floor. I took it to the dealer. Explained to them what I had done and the mechanic looked at it the next day and told me I had air in the system but it was caused by the fluid going out the vent and allowing air to get in??? Do you believe this? They connected it back to stock and it shifts different now. I was wondering if any one can give me there opinion on this. I may have just messed up by not flushing the fluid properly and it eventually migrated into the clutch? What do ya'll think?
They actually have a good point. Brake fluid shouldn't be vented..... everytime air is exchanged, humidity gets sucked out of the air into the fluid - which breaks it down quicker. It's the same reason why you don't want to leave a bottle a brake fluid open to the air - it shortens the life. That why brake fluids have "dry" and "wet" boiling points. New fluid doesn't compress as much (good) as old fluid that is getting towards the "wet" side. The older fluid with higher water content will lead to a softer pedal and actually can boil (depending on the fluid quality) when pushed really hard with burnouts, which would put air in the line.

That was part of the reason I chose the reservoir I did. It has a baffle top that lets the fluid move up and down and not slosh around so much on hard driving - something more important with high end motorcycles.

One other thing that may explain the difference in feel between the two reservoirs - the inside diameter of the Ring Brothers may have been bigger than the GTO. When I had the GTO one, we had drilled it out larger to flow better - and yes, it does help. Did you make sure the hose ran uphill from the clutch master cylinder to reservoir? If there are any high spots, air can get trapped...... even if doing the fluid swap/pumping method.
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:05 AM   #571
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Can anyone sell me the reservoir with the bracket that mounts to the master cylinder and plug only?
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:30 AM   #572
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Blue70SS, can you please elaborate?

What size drill bit(?) size did you use to open up the hose barb?

"When I had the GTO one, we had drilled it out larger to flow better - and yes, it does help"



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Old 12-02-2012, 02:17 PM   #573
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I have been battling the clutch issues for a long time as I drag race quite a bit. My fluid looks much worse than the photos in the above threads where it is red or tea color. Mine changes to a very dark milky color that you cannot see through after just a few trips to the track, and I start to get the 2nd gear grind and the sticking clutch pedal. In the past, I have just been changing the brake/clutch fluid on a regular basis. After I let the dirty fluid sit for a few days in a clear container, the particulate settles out and sits on the bottom of the container, leaving the somewhat clear fluid on top.

So I have purchased the necessary parts to make this mod but after reading the majority of responses in this thread, I'm beginning to think it is pointless. From what I gather, If you are driving your car hard and racing a lot like I do, you are STILL going to get the clutch dust in your clutch fluid, even if it is seperated from the brake resevoir. Correct? If so, what's the point in doing this mod? You will still have to replace/flush the clutch fluid in the GTO resevoir. Sure, it's a smaller amount, but it will still have to be done. The only benefit I see is that the brake fluid will stay clean/clear, and the clutch fluid will still get contaminated.

Am I missing something?
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You are not missing anything but separating it from brakes is the whole point. First, lot less fluid to take care off. Second, makes bleeding brakes a lot easier since it is separated from the clutch now.

A bit before I take my car out of the garage next year I am going to bleed my brakes with some racing blue and separating the reservoirs is going to be so much easier so that I don't have to worry about the clutch for the time being. It will allow me to use different fluids too etc.

Now if someone would only sell me a reservoir with a bracket!!! please
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:39 AM   #575
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Just my opinion but the GM GTO ( Holden ) reservoir is the way to go. No one has the R&D money GM has to develop this piece. It works on the GTO and I hazard to say there are over a thousand of us running them on the Camaro. And yes, every manual shift gen 5 Camaro should have had a remote clutch reservoir ( like the Corvette and GTO have from the factory ). The idea of getting clutch dust into the brake hydraulic system which is what happens with a shared ( 5th gen Camaro ) brake/clutch hydraulic reservoir system is just absurd. Plus the difficulty of flushing/bleeding the clutch hydraulic system is magnified when the brakes and clutch share the same reservoir. I can tell you the GM engineers who looked at my separate/remote clutch reservoir setup at the 3rd C5 fest at Indy this past August were both impressed as well as admitted the addition of the separate clutch reservoir makes good "real world" sense.
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Now all that's left is a good clutch & brake system flush which will probably be scheduled with the 30k maintenance appointment.
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Depending on the usage of your car ( track or just normal street driving ) you may find you'll want to flush the clutch hydraulic system more often. I see clutch dust in mine in as little as 8K street miles.
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You are not missing anything but separating it from brakes is the whole point. First, lot less fluid to take care off. Second, makes bleeding brakes a lot easier since it is separated from the clutch now.

A bit before I take my car out of the garage next year I am going to bleed my brakes with some racing blue and separating the reservoirs is going to be so much easier so that I don't have to worry about the clutch for the time being. It will allow me to use different fluids too etc.

Now if someone would only sell me a reservoir with a bracket!!! please
I have reservoirs but mine don't come with the bracket. I install then on the inside of the front fender. I have pics if you want to see.
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Depending on the usage of your car ( track or just normal street driving ) you may find you'll want to flush the clutch hydraulic system more often. I see clutch dust in mine in as little as 8K street miles.
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I'm at 26k now and haven't done one yet. I replaced as much fluid as possible by draining the brake reservoir then filling both reservoirs with new fluid when installing (making sure to not introduce air pockets). That should at least get me the last 4k before I get everything flushed, and seeing as the car isn't driven as often once the snow flies, it probably won't be until spring. I'd like to upgrade both fluids to a DOT4, but we'll see how things go.
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