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Old 12-20-2012, 11:58 PM   #176
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Nice! This means a lot of 2010-2013 V8 owners will be selling their cars a bit more cheap then usual. Just in time for when I'm ready to buy my used Camaro.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:07 AM   #177
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Nice! This means a lot of 2010-2013 V8 owners will be selling their cars a bit more cheap then usual. Just in time for when I'm ready to buy my used Camaro.
^+1 but maaan...might just grab the ls7 then

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Old 12-21-2012, 12:12 AM   #178
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So Z28 as a trim and not a model?
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:22 AM   #179
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I wish! But my budget will only be around 25-30k. Although by then, I am hoping that some V8 owners are selling their Camaros for less th 25k.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:28 AM   #180
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Man...after the ZL1 I thought I was done buying Camaro's untill the 6th gen:(
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:30 AM   #181
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I am pretty sure I am not the only person who doesn't know much about the LS engines, so I went ahead and researched it, hopefully someone learns something.

As far as I know the 2010-2013 use the LS3(manual) or L99(automatic):

Introduced on the 2008 Corvette, the LS3 brought LS base performance to an unprecedented level: 430 horsepower from 6.2L (376 cu in) - making it the most powerful base Corvette engine in history. The LS3 block not only has larger bores than the LS2, but a strengthened casting to support more powerful 6.2L engines, including the LS9 supercharged engine of the Corvette ZR1. The LS3 is offered in the Pontiac G8 GXP and is also the standard V-8 engine in the new, 2010 Camaro SS. The L99 version is equipped with GM's fuel-saving Active Fuel Management cylinder deactivation system and is standard on 2010 Camaro SS models equipped with an automatic transmission.

From what I understand, the LS4 is slower.

There is no LS5.

LS6 is similar to the LS1, which is older than the LS3, L99, LS4 and LS7.

LS7 is the largest engine Chevrolet has (I believe) and its the one that is being mentioned here:
A legend in its own time. The LS7 is the standard engine in the Corvette Z06 and its 7.0L displacement (427 cubic inches) makes it the largest LS engine offered in a production car. Unlike LS1/LS6, LS2 and LS3 engines, the LS7 uses a Siamese-bore cylinder block design - required for its big, 4.125-inch bores. Competition-proven heads and lightweight components, such as titanium rods and intake valves, make the LS7 a street-tuned racing engine, with 505 horsepower. LS7 engines are built by hand at the GM Performance Build Center in Wixom, Mich.

The LS9 is the monster used on the ZR1.

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Old 12-21-2012, 12:32 AM   #182
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:39 AM   #183
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It isn't a capacity or profitability issue that restricts the sale of the LS7 in an OEM vehicle. It is the EPA
Are you talking in terms of exhaust emissions or CAFE? Because, as far as I know, as long as your exhaust is clean enough you can sell a million of the things & the EPA won't care. CAFE is another matter though.
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So Z28 as a trim and not a model?
I count the Camaro as a model. SS, ZL1, LS, etc are trims. The '1' or '2' prefixes would be sub-trims (1LT, 2SS, 1LS)
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:43 AM   #184
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:47 AM   #185
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The LSA ZL1 can be sold in volume. The LS7 production cars are limited in volume by the EPA. The ONLY reason a LZ7 powered Camaro is going to be available is that the new C7 Vette will have a different range of engines leaving a short supply of LS7s for some very special Camaros.

GM and Chevrolet are not perfect, but TEAM Camaro got this exactly right.
If what you're saying is true with limited supply of motors, when the Z/28 is produced, I have a strong suspicion that demand will outweigh supply and we'll see some very strong "market adjustments". I just hope they create a large enough inventory to compensate before it hits market.
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So Z28 as a trim and not a model?
I think trim and model are interchangeable, but not exactly sure.

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If what you're saying is true with limited supply of motors, when the Z/28 is produced, I have a strong suspicion that demand will outweigh supply and we'll see some very strong "market adjustments". I just hope they create a large enough inventory to compensate before it hits market.
Market adjustments make me sad. Thankfully, we don't have them here in Ontario. The downside is, people buy up in-demand new cars and sell them 'used' (with 20km or so) above the MSRP for an equivalent new car.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:33 AM   #188
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I'm not going to hold my breath, but I hope this is true. Because for me as a Z06 guy, that means parts will be available longer and the aftermarket will continue to grow, crate engines will be around longer, etc. etc.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:40 AM   #189
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I'm not going to hold my breath, but I hope this is true. Because for me as a Z06 guy, that means parts will be available longer and the aftermarket will continue to grow, crate engines will be around longer, etc. etc.
I've heard a rumour, so take this with a grain of salt, but I've heard that GM makes more money on the LS7 as a crate engine than they do with it in the Z06. So until something better comes along I'm sure they'll be cranking them out by hand at Wixom.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:48 AM   #190
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I've heard a rumour, so take this with a grain of salt, but I've heard that GM makes more money on the LS7 as a crate engine than they do with it in the Z06. So until something better comes along I'm sure they'll be cranking them out by hand at Wixom.
I wondered about that as well, that it would likely continue life or we may even see a Gen V version for crate form before we see that engine in a production car.
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I wondered about that as well, that it would likely continue life or we may even see a Gen V version for crate form before we see that engine in a production car.
An LT7 would be very interesting. 570ish hp from a NA small block?
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:04 AM   #192
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I count the Camaro as a model. SS, ZL1, LS, etc are trims. The '1' or '2' prefixes would be sub-trims (1LT, 2SS, 1LS)
I only raise the issue because the vin card has no new "trims." So if the hype is true and to polish the language. Would the Z28 be offered as an option and not a trim? Similar to what the 1LE is?

That can't be right can it?

Could the LS7 equipped Camaro be anything other than a Z28?
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I was at the dealership today looking at a 1le, glad I didnt buy it. They also wanted to much. 5k mark up. I wonder what the price will be for an ls7 camaro. It better be below $50k. I am thinking around $45k would be perfect.
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I only raise the issue because the vin card has no new "trims." So if the hype is true and to polish the language. Would the Z28 be offered as an option and not a trim? Similar to what the 1LE is?

That can't be right can it?

Could the LS7 equipped Camaro be anything other than a Z28?
Looks like the LS7 would be an option, like 1LE. If it can be combined with the 1LE I shall forever call it the Z28, regardless of what GM may decided to name such a combo.
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:27 AM   #195
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I've heard a rumour, so take this with a grain of salt, but I've heard that GM makes more money on the LS7 as a crate engine than they do with it in the Z06. So until something better comes along I'm sure they'll be cranking them out by hand at Wixom.
I haven't heard that rumor specifically, but I wouldn't doubt it. The LS7 as a stand alone crate engine is in the neighborhood of $15K, and that is also without accessories.
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I was at the dealership today looking at a 1le, glad I didnt buy it. They also wanted to much. 5k mark up. I wonder what the price will be for an ls7 camaro. It better be below $50k. I am thinking around $45k would be perfect.
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I only raise the issue because the vin card has no new "trims." So if the hype is true and to polish the language. Would the Z28 be offered as an option and not a trim? Similar to what the 1LE is?

That can't be right can it?

Could the LS7 equipped Camaro be anything other than a Z28?
If they offered it as an upgraded engine option for the SS for the 2%er's or other n/a diehards, wouldn't that be viable solution too?
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I am willing to bet that Chevy had a lot of ls7 inventory left and this is a way to get rid of it. The production numbers for the Z06 has been doing down every year for the last couple of years due to the economy.
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If true this would be the coolest way ever to retire the LS7.

More than likely it will be GM's last large displacement gas V8 installed in a passenger car.
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