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Old 12-21-2012, 12:39 AM   #183
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It isn't a capacity or profitability issue that restricts the sale of the LS7 in an OEM vehicle. It is the EPA
Are you talking in terms of exhaust emissions or CAFE? Because, as far as I know, as long as your exhaust is clean enough you can sell a million of the things & the EPA won't care. CAFE is another matter though.
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So Z28 as a trim and not a model?
I count the Camaro as a model. SS, ZL1, LS, etc are trims. The '1' or '2' prefixes would be sub-trims (1LT, 2SS, 1LS)
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:43 AM   #184
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:47 AM   #185
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The LSA ZL1 can be sold in volume. The LS7 production cars are limited in volume by the EPA. The ONLY reason a LZ7 powered Camaro is going to be available is that the new C7 Vette will have a different range of engines leaving a short supply of LS7s for some very special Camaros.

GM and Chevrolet are not perfect, but TEAM Camaro got this exactly right.
If what you're saying is true with limited supply of motors, when the Z/28 is produced, I have a strong suspicion that demand will outweigh supply and we'll see some very strong "market adjustments". I just hope they create a large enough inventory to compensate before it hits market.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:59 AM   #186
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So Z28 as a trim and not a model?
I think trim and model are interchangeable, but not exactly sure.

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Old 12-21-2012, 01:20 AM   #187
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If what you're saying is true with limited supply of motors, when the Z/28 is produced, I have a strong suspicion that demand will outweigh supply and we'll see some very strong "market adjustments". I just hope they create a large enough inventory to compensate before it hits market.
Market adjustments make me sad. Thankfully, we don't have them here in Ontario. The downside is, people buy up in-demand new cars and sell them 'used' (with 20km or so) above the MSRP for an equivalent new car.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:33 AM   #188
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I'm not going to hold my breath, but I hope this is true. Because for me as a Z06 guy, that means parts will be available longer and the aftermarket will continue to grow, crate engines will be around longer, etc. etc.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:40 AM   #189
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I'm not going to hold my breath, but I hope this is true. Because for me as a Z06 guy, that means parts will be available longer and the aftermarket will continue to grow, crate engines will be around longer, etc. etc.
I've heard a rumour, so take this with a grain of salt, but I've heard that GM makes more money on the LS7 as a crate engine than they do with it in the Z06. So until something better comes along I'm sure they'll be cranking them out by hand at Wixom.
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I've heard a rumour, so take this with a grain of salt, but I've heard that GM makes more money on the LS7 as a crate engine than they do with it in the Z06. So until something better comes along I'm sure they'll be cranking them out by hand at Wixom.
I wondered about that as well, that it would likely continue life or we may even see a Gen V version for crate form before we see that engine in a production car.
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I wondered about that as well, that it would likely continue life or we may even see a Gen V version for crate form before we see that engine in a production car.
An LT7 would be very interesting. 570ish hp from a NA small block?
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I count the Camaro as a model. SS, ZL1, LS, etc are trims. The '1' or '2' prefixes would be sub-trims (1LT, 2SS, 1LS)
I only raise the issue because the vin card has no new "trims." So if the hype is true and to polish the language. Would the Z28 be offered as an option and not a trim? Similar to what the 1LE is?

That can't be right can it?

Could the LS7 equipped Camaro be anything other than a Z28?
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I was at the dealership today looking at a 1le, glad I didnt buy it. They also wanted to much. 5k mark up. I wonder what the price will be for an ls7 camaro. It better be below $50k. I am thinking around $45k would be perfect.
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I only raise the issue because the vin card has no new "trims." So if the hype is true and to polish the language. Would the Z28 be offered as an option and not a trim? Similar to what the 1LE is?

That can't be right can it?

Could the LS7 equipped Camaro be anything other than a Z28?
Looks like the LS7 would be an option, like 1LE. If it can be combined with the 1LE I shall forever call it the Z28, regardless of what GM may decided to name such a combo.
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I've heard a rumour, so take this with a grain of salt, but I've heard that GM makes more money on the LS7 as a crate engine than they do with it in the Z06. So until something better comes along I'm sure they'll be cranking them out by hand at Wixom.
I haven't heard that rumor specifically, but I wouldn't doubt it. The LS7 as a stand alone crate engine is in the neighborhood of $15K, and that is also without accessories.
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I was at the dealership today looking at a 1le, glad I didnt buy it. They also wanted to much. 5k mark up. I wonder what the price will be for an ls7 camaro. It better be below $50k. I am thinking around $45k would be perfect.
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