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Old 12-22-2012, 12:38 AM   #341
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Hence (I don't claim to be an expert - this is just what I've picked up, which may be way off. And I am paraphrasing a lot. Please correct if you know better.)
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:57 AM   #342
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Here is one more photo. It is not easy to make extreme horsepower on a naturally aspirated motor.

The LS 7 has no shortage of torque. I spoke with the engineers from GM Powertrain Division at SEMA two years ago. They believed that the LS 7 would be abandoned because the 6.2 liter motors were making as much power with the help of superchargers.
This doesn't make sense to me! If an LS3 makes as much power as an LS7 BUT with supercharges, wouldn't a LS7 make more power with superchargers? If so why would the GM engineers discontinue the LS7?
Also, from what I understand the ZL1 has the LS3, just as the SS has it, with the exception of the supercharger. Shouldn't the ZL1 should have had the LS7 from the beginning?

Gosh! So many questions.. I'm going to read the threads mentioned below to see if that clears up things a bit.

By the way, I'm not like many of you that are die hard Chevrolet/GM fans, although I do respect and admire you all! So I don't know much about the history, or the reasons behind whatever they are doing. (but I am learning more about it!)
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:00 AM   #343
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Where does that leave the Z/28? If we accept the ZL1 as the spiritual successor to the original ZL1 that never got produced, then a Z/28 would be a gimped ZL1. I see it as having close to 500hp stock, with the 1LE available to it. It would also have to hit about the $45K price point. I don't see Chevy actually competing directly with each of Ford's Mustang models. They haven't really yet - I don't see them starting any time soon.

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I don't understand this statement? Because I'm under the impression that Chevy has been competing against Mustang models for the last...45 years? (except for the 7 years the Camaro was out of production)
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:06 AM   #344
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:07 AM   #345
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Well, I guess I meant that the Gen 5 has been slipping a bit. Like, the 1LE super sport is competing with the Laguna Seca, which it does performance wise, and gives you more value for the money IMO. But other than that, when you split all the hairs, the ZL1 is good at certain things and the Cobra is good at others. For example, the Cobra is faster in a drag, (in relative terms - they're both freaking fast), but the ZL1 can have better race track times because of steering and breaking, etc.

I just don't know if I consider this head-on competition. Cobra owners certainly aren't sweating over the Camaros. They're not consistently out-performing the Mustangs.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:10 AM   #346
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This doesn't make sense to me! If an LS3 makes as much power as an LS7 BUT with supercharges, wouldn't a LS7 make more power with superchargers? If so why would the GM engineers discontinue the LS7?
Also, from what I understand the ZL1 has the LS3, just as the SS has it, with the exception of the supercharger. Shouldn't the ZL1 should have had the LS7 from the beginning?

Gosh! So many questions.. I'm going to read the threads mentioned below to see if that clears up things a bit.

By the way, I'm not like many of you that are die hard Chevrolet/GM fans, although I do respect and admire you all! So I don't know much about the history, or the reasons behind whatever they are doing. (but I am learning more about it!)
The ZL1 has the LSA not the LS3. The LSA motor is designed to handle the rigors of Forced Induction(FI) The LS7 has a higher displacement (427 c.i.) and is a motor that is geared towards being naturally aspirated, and from what I understand is a common engine used for road course racing since it can rev at higher speeds and not suffer from heat soak and loss of power like a FI engine can.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:16 AM   #347
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Well, I guess I meant that the Gen 5 has been slipping a bit. Like, the 1LE super sport is competing with the Laguna Seca, which it does performance wise, and gives you more value for the money IMO. But other than that, when you split all the hairs, the ZL1 is good at certain things and the Cobra is good at others. For example, the Cobra is faster in a drag, (in relative terms - they're both freaking fast), but the ZL1 can have better race track times because of steering and breaking, etc.

I just don't know if I consider this head-on competition. Cobra owners certainly aren't sweating over the Camaros. They're not consistently out-performing the Mustangs.
Isn't it all about what you want out of the vehicle of your choice? If one brand doesn't suit you, there are others that are willing to take your money too.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:22 AM   #348
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Well, that's the thing. What price point would a Z/28 have to be and what features would it need? I'm not saying the ZL1 sucks, but a Z/28 would have to fill a niche that I don't think really exists. The SS with the 1LE is taking on the Laguna Seca. If the Z/28 competes with the Cobra, then what's the ZL1 for?
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Well, that's the thing. What price point would a Z/28 have to be and what features would it need? I'm not saying the ZL1 sucks, but a Z/28 would have to fill a niche that I don't think really exists. The SS with the 1LE is taking on the Laguna Seca. If the Z/28 competes with the Cobra, then what's the ZL1 for?
The consensus is that the Z/28 is warranted to compete with the L.S., the ZL1 with the GT500. The SS obviously with the GT. Remember, the 1LE is just an option package.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:30 AM   #350
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I don't know. I can see loss of value. I can see spending $45 grand on the Z/28 and then another -$3500? on the 1LE.

The ZL1 is supposed to practically be a dragster, and it doesn't seem to dragst as well as the GT500.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:37 AM   #351
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I don't know. I can see loss of value. I can see spending $45 grand on the Z/28 and then another -$3500? on the 1LE.

The ZL1 is supposed to practically be a dragster, and it doesn't seem to dragst as well as the GT500.
That price point is about what a lot of us here see it coming out at, 45-48K, depending on options. For what it's capabilities will be, there will be a lot of interest at that price point.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:40 AM   #352
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These motors are still used in a lot of race cars. Just because the vette doesn't have it doesn't mean it won't be in a camaro. If anything we have seen a lot of x vette motors in camaros. Lt4?
Agree with you about the X bette motors. BUT i just cant imagine GM would have a production camaro with a bigger engine than the Vette. even if it makes less power.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:50 AM   #353
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I remember that thread and the tone was more geared towards people warning you that people could get into major trouble from what you posted. Technically, you haven't been proven right yet, though I hope you are.
Yeah, the world would just be a better place with an LS7 Camaro
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:54 AM   #355
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The ZL1 is supposed to practically be a dragster, and it doesn't seem to dragst as well as the GT500.

I don't agree. It seems that it was built more for turns than a straight line. JMHO
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I don't know. I can see loss of value. I can see spending $45 grand on the Z/28 and then another -$3500? on the 1LE.

The ZL1 is supposed to practically be a dragster, and it doesn't seem to dragst as well as the GT500.
Incorrect, the COPO is the dragster. The ZL1 has a huge focus on suspension and handling.





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The consensus is that the Z/28 is warranted to compete with the L.S., the ZL1 with the GT500. The SS obviously with the GT. Remember, the 1LE is just an option package.
And if the vin sheet stays the same so will the ls7/z28.... but I bet GM will badge the hell out of it!!
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