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Old 12-22-2012, 01:37 AM   #351
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I don't know. I can see loss of value. I can see spending $45 grand on the Z/28 and then another -$3500? on the 1LE.

The ZL1 is supposed to practically be a dragster, and it doesn't seem to dragst as well as the GT500.
That price point is about what a lot of us here see it coming out at, 45-48K, depending on options. For what it's capabilities will be, there will be a lot of interest at that price point.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:40 AM   #352
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These motors are still used in a lot of race cars. Just because the vette doesn't have it doesn't mean it won't be in a camaro. If anything we have seen a lot of x vette motors in camaros. Lt4?
Agree with you about the X bette motors. BUT i just cant imagine GM would have a production camaro with a bigger engine than the Vette. even if it makes less power.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:50 AM   #353
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I remember that thread and the tone was more geared towards people warning you that people could get into major trouble from what you posted. Technically, you haven't been proven right yet, though I hope you are.
Yeah, the world would just be a better place with an LS7 Camaro
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:52 AM   #354
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The ZL1 is supposed to practically be a dragster, and it doesn't seem to dragst as well as the GT500.

I don't agree. It seems that it was built more for turns than a straight line. JMHO
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:22 AM   #356
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I don't know. I can see loss of value. I can see spending $45 grand on the Z/28 and then another -$3500? on the 1LE.

The ZL1 is supposed to practically be a dragster, and it doesn't seem to dragst as well as the GT500.
Incorrect, the COPO is the dragster. The ZL1 has a huge focus on suspension and handling.





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I don't agree. It seems that it was built more for turns than a straight line. JMHO
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The consensus is that the Z/28 is warranted to compete with the L.S., the ZL1 with the GT500. The SS obviously with the GT. Remember, the 1LE is just an option package.
And if the vin sheet stays the same so will the ls7/z28.... but I bet GM will badge the hell out of it!!
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:49 AM   #358
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Z06 Camaro sounds pretty good
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:37 AM   #359
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Are these LS7s going to explode like the ones in the Z06's from valvetrain problems???
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:00 AM   #360
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This makes me waiting till '14 more exciting , I've been holding out this long for a new camaro , and I planned on ordering one this summer.
Years ago I said I would never buy an SS Camaro cause of the way GM ruined the SS logo (in my mind) over the years putting it on anything to make it sell but I always hoped a Z28 would come back out and I'm still hoping ..... lol keeping my toes crossed , if not oh well the Camaro is still bad ass no matter what model
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Not sure why all the surprise about a Camaro with the LS7. I was surprised that this package wasn't released before the ZL1.

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Designed to be something of a bewilder-back to the glory being of the muscle car era when somebody in the know could toddle into their district Chevy dealer and limit the COPO box to order up a chase-bred, fire-breathing 427 V8 in the engine bay, this LS7 Concept shows what 2010 Camaro shoppers might be able to do with a great letter-prose struggle. The LS7, as its name implies, skin the GM Performance Parts LS7. Crate motor tuned to fabricate 550 horsepower gratitude to several GMPP performance accessories.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:40 AM   #363
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I think this partial PDF was a deliberate leak by Chevy. This is a Christmas present from GM to all of us. Happy Holidays right back at you GM.

And has been said here there is more to come. GM has learned as Ford already knows to keep the good stuff coming to keep the interest in the car. Now they understand how this will generate direct and rub off sales in the future. This is such a break from the past in the old GM where the bean counters ran the show. There have been many dark days for Camaro fans until the last few years. And we can see how the Camaro will get even better over the next 5 years. Waiting for the ultimate Camaro will be a never ending game.

But the sweet spot is the 1SS 1LE. World class performance at a somewhat affordable price. And this will continue once the LS7 Camaro comes out. Now dealers will stop trying to gouge 1LE customers with ADM. There is a new hot Camaro on the block.

Good luck finding an LS7 Camaro under $50K. There will only be a limited number of these if it is true that there is cap on LS7 production. But maybe that is the best fate for the Z28. It will be car that most of us can only salivate over when it crosses the block at Mechum. It is probably more interesting to admire Angelina from afar rather than actually go out with her.
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Not sure why all the surprise about a Camaro with the LS7. I was surprised that this package wasn't released before the ZL1.

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Designed to be something of a bewilder-back to the glory being of the muscle car era when somebody in the know could toddle into their district Chevy dealer and limit the COPO box to order up a chase-bred, fire-breathing 427 V8 in the engine bay, this LS7 Concept shows what 2010 Camaro shoppers might be able to do with a great letter-prose struggle. The LS7, as its name implies, skin the GM Performance Parts LS7. Crate motor tuned to fabricate 550 horsepower gratitude to several GMPP performance accessories.
Notice the 1LE hood. 1LE+LS7 = Z28? I would bet a few more goodies will be thrown in.
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:00 AM   #365
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Notice the 1LE hood. 1LE+LS7 = Z28? I would bet a few more goodies will be thrown in.
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Are these LS7s going to explode like the ones in the Z06's from valvetrain problems???

No, GM has the issues worked out. It was always a very small amount of cars affected.


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LS7 Valve guide issue summary:
• Affects a small, number of '08, 09 ’10 and ’11 Z06’s
• GM discovered the condition through our cylinder head warranty data involving a very small percentage of our vehicles.
• Through inspection of returned heads, it was determined that a machining error in the valve guide had occurred at our head supplier.
• The quality issue has been contained as of Feb 2011 with 100% inspection of all heads.
• The most common customer complaint has been excessive valve train noise.
However if the condition is not addressed, it could result in engine failure. To date, where this condition has been observed, it has occurred early in the vehicle life.
What customers need to know: They should drive and enjoy their vehicles without fear. If their car demonstrates this condition, they are likely to hear unusual valvetrain noise first. If you have a concern regarding this issue on your personal vehicle feel free to contact me through private message on this forum and we will work to assist in resolving your concern. Feel free to contact me through Socialmedia@gm.com please put attention Evan in the subject. As always, vehicles that have modifications to the powertrain or the calibrations, are no longer covered by GM's warranty.

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Old 12-22-2012, 09:14 AM   #368
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I wonder how much faster a stock LS7 would be compared to a stock LS3 in a straight line? There have been many that have put modified LS7's in their cars. Has anyone put in a crate LS7 and ran it? Just curious because with the weight of these cars I'm wondering how much of a difference you would feel?
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The ZL1 is supposed to practically be a dragster, and it doesn't seem to dragst as well as the GT500.
I know Mac and Baylor have this covered, but still...

I just wanted to suggest you do a search for Nurburgring and ZL1.

Better yet, here's a link.



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No, GM has the issues worked out. It was always a very small amount of cars affected.


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LS7 Valve guide issue summary:
• Affects a small, number of '08, 09 ’10 and ’11 Z06’s
• GM discovered the condition through our cylinder head warranty data involving a very small percentage of our vehicles.
• Through inspection of returned heads, it was determined that a machining error in the valve guide had occurred at our head supplier.
• The quality issue has been contained as of Feb 2011 with 100% inspection of all heads.
• The most common customer complaint has been excessive valve train noise.
However if the condition is not addressed, it could result in engine failure. To date, where this condition has been observed, it has occurred early in the vehicle life.
What customers need to know: They should drive and enjoy their vehicles without fear. If their car demonstrates this condition, they are likely to hear unusual valvetrain noise first. If you have a concern regarding this issue on your personal vehicle feel free to contact me through private message on this forum and we will work to assist in resolving your concern. Feel free to contact me through Socialmedia@gm.com please put attention Evan in the subject. As always, vehicles that have modifications to the powertrain or the calibrations, are no longer covered by GM's warranty.

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The specific failure has not been relayed, explained or delineated.

And GM has not figured out a way to evaluate or fix the existing bad ones until the motor blows up.....

To think you could evaluate valvetrain wear by listening to the degree of loudness of the valve train ticking noise is a bit far fetched.

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The 5th Gen has been a steady sales success first because it was a ground breaking design and had a legion of fans waiting to buy. The success was supported with special editions and the introduction of the Vert. That was followed by the much anticipated release of the Z/28 which turned out to be the LSA powered ZL1 loaded with electronic genius. The addition of the 1LE for 2013 keeps excitement high and sales moving. So what do we do for 2014? We just happen to have a handful of LS7 production motors available. We have brakes, drive line, suspension and more to go with an LS7. We just happen to have another revered name plate we could use. Why not build a 427 LS7 powered Z/28 in 2014? That will keep the focus on the 5th Gen headed into the 2015 model year. What can you expect in the 15? My guess is a knock you socks off LS9 ZL1. That keeps the 5th Gen new and exciting for the release of the Alpha 6th Gen as a 2016.
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Except GM has not figured out a way to evaluate or fix the existing bad ones until the motor blows up.....
you have 100K miles or 5 years. They will handle it! GM is NOT Ford. They admit to their mistakes and own up and fix it. Try having a 5 point slow with a Chinese trans that 2nd/3rd gear grinds with no recall! The synchros eventually sh*t themselves and you only have 1st 5th and 6th.
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you have 100K miles or 5 years. They will handle it! GM is NOT Ford. They admit to their mistakes and own up and fix it. Try having a 5 point slow with a Chinese trans that 2nd/3rd gear grinds with no recall! The synchros eventually sh*t themselves and you only have 1st 5th and 6th.
Do you really want to be driving a ticking bomb around waiting for a catastropic failure to happen any time? And what if you buy a car to drive on sunny Sundays and keep the mileage low. Then the 100K doesn't mean much.
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Do you really want to be driving a ticking bomb around waiting for a catastropic failure to happen any time? And what if you buy a car to drive on sunny Sundays and keep the mileage low. Then the 100K doesn't mean much.
WE ALL drive ticking time bombs. No cars last forever! Every engine WILL fail at some point. Chevrolet will not install a new motor based on fear.

I hear valvetrain noise all the time in my LS3. Is it excessively noisy...I don't think so....but if someone told me the LS3s have a problem with valvetrain....I might get a little paranoid and think my valvetrain noise is louder than usual.

see what I'm sayin?
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See now this is a problem in my opinion for people with 2010's. It's the first model year of the 5th gen and especially if you plan on sticking with the camaro like I do since I paid mine cash its really tough to want to trade it in because of the history that goes along with it. Then you also know that there is always going to be improvements every year with something better and something someone wants so and it's really not practical to switch it up every couple years unless you have money to burn. So I guess I will probably be keeping my 2010 and once the last model year comes around with all the bells and whistles of previous improvements maybe I will splurge and buy that one too. Just my .02
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