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Old 01-01-2013, 11:32 PM   #273
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The ford faithful crack me up. 6k more gets you ~the same lap but its a better value for a road coarse.
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Laguna Seca and Streets of Willow the GT500 was faster. Tied on Grattan Raceway. ZL1 faster on Gingerman and VIR. I don't know how anyone can call the ZL1 substantially faster in anything...And less sophisticated technology? Suspension or engine? Because last time I checked a pushrod V8 is not the most advanced technology in the world...at least not compared to a DOHC 32V design...that has less displacement and puts out almost 100hp more...
This is from realperformancemustangs.com:

"While the Shelby has significantly more power than the ZL1, it also has skinnier tires and less sophisticated chassis, damper and traction control systems. Its engine may be ahead of the Camaro's, but everything else is behind."
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:45 PM   #274
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"While the Shelby has significantly more power than the ZL1, it also has skinnier tires and less sophisticated chassis, damper and traction control systems. Its engine may be ahead of the Camaro's, but everything else is behind."
^My exact thoughts on the ZL1/GT500 battle. The 5.8 in the GT500 is an engine looking for a chassis. Ford needs to bring back a Ford GT equivalent and put the 5.8 in that.
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This thread makes me realize why you can't talk about politics or religion on this forum…

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This thread makes me realize why you can't talk about politics or religion on this forum…

Politics and religon? Baaawww!
The internet was invented to exchange porn and argue about cars. And that's it.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:12 AM   #277
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:41 AM   #278
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So the Ford police are back to instruct us on how to appreciate cars again? Nice.

On topic: Guess I'm going to have to pick up one of those 1LE's (or hopefully, an LS7-powered Z28).
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:51 AM   #279
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Were are you getting these half courses lost to GT500? I know of two out of like 10 comparisons where the Shelby beat the zl1 laptime, and both of those courses it won on the last straightaway due to the power. It won by a few hundreds of a second. However, after 2-3 laps even on some of those tracks the GT500 lost laptime comparisons

The ZL1 is a Shelby killer at the road courses, not even a comparison. Open track day sessions last more than 2 laps you know.

VIR - 3 seconds for ZL1
Monticello with Chris Harris - 2 seconds for ZL1
Motor Trend Laguna Seca - 0.49 for Shelby GT500, lost to ZL1 after 3rd lap
Car and Driver Grattan - Same laptime, GT500 picked up on straightaway,
Road and Track Grattan - 0.5 seconds for ZL1
Insideline Streets of Willow - 0.6 sec GT500 Shelby, again straightaway pick up.
Automobile Mag Gingerman Raceway - 0.7 sec for ZL1, track has three straightaways
Edmunds NOT TRACK but road - ZL1 was smoking GT500 on backroads
AND the Nurnburgring - ZL1 clocked, GT500 showed up and went back home.

If you are a road racer, the ZL1 is lightyears ahead of the GT500. Solid rear, sliding rear calipers, skinny rear tires (my fronts are like the GT500 rears), solid front rotors, and a 57% front weight distribution make the Shelby a not so friendly track car.

Finally, keep in mind the SS 1LE almost showed its behind to the shelby at VIR.

The Shelby is still a very respectable car, the laptimes show it vs. the world, but Ford seriously has to catch up in many areas to keep up with the Camaro. Power is not a problem for American cars and we know GM has motors capable of 640 hp that are based on what the camaro is using. Does Ford have chassis tuning on any car that is superior to the GM vehicles? Hmmmmmmmm...
Mgizzle just jizzed on this thread with "factual facts". Yes I just said that....cased closed
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:58 AM   #280
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Hmmm...LS7 Z28. Sounds like a performer to me. High power, naturally aspirated, high revving, corner carving, straight line bad assness.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:45 AM   #281
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Hmmm...LS7 Z28. Sounds like a performer to me. High power, naturally aspirated, high revving, corner carving, straight line bad assness.
A little off-topic on my part, but out of curiosity, does being naturally aspirated and high-revving actually provide a performance advantage compared to forced induction counterparts of equivalent specs or is it just the sound and feel of the engine that adds to the thrill?
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:20 AM   #282
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Hmmm...LS7 Z28. Sounds like a performer to me. High power, naturally aspirated, high revving, corner carving, straight line bad assness.


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A little off-topic on my part, but out of curiosity, does being naturally aspirated and high-revving actually provide a performance advantage compared to forced induction counterparts of equivalent specs or is it just the sound and feel of the engine that adds to the thrill?
The biggest reason for N/A is you don't end up with a heat soaked super charger pulling timing and killing power.
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:24 AM   #283
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Stock 2011 GT500 ran at VIR with a sub 3 minute time. 2:58........Why is that.....Should not be possible right???

As I stated in the last post. Road course times have to many variables even with the same driver. When 2 cars are so close the outcome can be different everytime. The ZL1 and GT500 are both close on road courses. The ZL1 does it in handling and the GT500 does it in brute force HP. The ZL1 will win some and the GT500 will win some. That cant be disputed.....period.....
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:18 AM   #284
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Stock 2011 GT500 ran at VIR with a sub 3 second time. 2:58........Why is that.....Should not be possible right???

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As I stated in the last post. Road course times have to many variables even with the same driver. When 2 cars are so close the outcome can be different everytime. The ZL1 and GT500 are both close on road courses. The ZL1 does it in handling and the GT500 does it in brute force HP. The ZL1 will win some and the GT500 will win some. That cant be disputed.....period.....
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:26 AM   #285
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To be fair though, Torque, while pushing the car as hard as they could, were more doing it for R&D than competition, it just happened that the GT500 was out there running at the same time.

Im pretty sure they both scheduled to be at the track the same day so they could see what these 2 cars would do. Just a friendly outing.


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Old 01-02-2013, 09:52 AM   #286
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In an after noon the ZL1 can make as much power as the GT 500. (pulley and air box). Let me know when you get your new rear end and everything you need to make your Ford compare to the Chevy.
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In an after noon the ZL1 can make as much power as the GT 500. (pulley and air box). Let me know when you get your new rear end and everything you need to make your Ford compare to the Chevy.
Not arguing with you by any means, but anything you can do to a ZL1 you can do to a GT500 and more (engine wise) once you mod it all goes out the window.
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Stock 2011 GT500 ran at VIR with a sub 3 second time. 2:58........Why is that.....Should not be possible right???
The '11 GT500 already had ample power to put down a sub-3 minute (not second) lap with that chassis. Adding 100+ HP didn't help it. Maybe that should have been their clue that this platform has peaked and it's time to engineer a real chassis for FoMoCo's ONLY performance car.
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The '11 GT500 already had ample power to put down a sub-3 minute (not second) lap with that chassis. Adding 100+ HP didn't help it. Maybe that should have been their clue that this platform has peaked and it's time to engineer a real chassis for FoMoCo's ONLY performance car.
Already edited my post to minute not second. A sub 3 second lap is BLAZING!!!!

But my point is that road course times will vary ALOT.....Especially with cars as close as the ZL1 and GT500 are. I have always said that I give the edge to the ZL1 but the GT500 is right there with it because of the power. A 2:58 minute time on the old 2011 GT500 just proves my point.
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