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Old 01-06-2013, 10:02 AM   #26
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So the car that won costs $4000 more, has 30 more torque, better traction, and is geared higher? You don't say!

It was a odd, but they had the 1LE a bit more loaded with options than the Mustang GT w/ Track Pack was. It didnt give a real apples to apples comparison as far as price is concerned.
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:11 AM   #27
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Some of us haven't seen the Head 2 Head video comparison where the ZL1 marginally beat the 2012 Boss LS.. If the ZL1 had a run for its money, I don't think the 1LE is going to magically be better than a 2013 Boss, much less the Laguna Seca...
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:59 AM   #29
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Some of us haven't seen the Head 2 Head video comparison where the ZL1 marginally beat the 2012 Boss LS.. If the ZL1 had a run for its money, I don't think the 1LE is going to magically be better than a 2013 Boss, much less the Laguna Seca...
But hey keep on drinkin' the koolaid.......There is a reason Ford wouldn't let them compare a Boss............
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Here is one of the 1LE lapping VIR in 2:58.....Find one of the Boss or GT500 doing that.....Just sayin'...

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Old 01-06-2013, 12:18 PM   #31
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Here is one of the 1LE lapping VIR in 2:58.....Find one of the Boss or GT500 doing that.....Just sayin'...

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Here you go, GT500 putting down a 2:58 time at VIR.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2011-for...nds-video.html

Oh yeah, that was a 2011 version;less powerful and without adjustable suspension that the 2013 GT500 has. That car made 550hp from the factory if memory serves. That's within 10 HP and less torque than my ZL1 makes.
Then the GT500 is just as quick as the 1LE with 124 less hp....Cool.....The 13 GT500 ran a little quicker than the 1LE at VIR this yr. on the lightning lap with 236 +/- more hp.........A whole .9 seconds faster
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:26 PM   #34
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Some of us haven't seen the Head 2 Head video comparison where the ZL1 marginally beat the 2012 Boss LS.. If the ZL1 had a run for its money, I don't think the 1LE is going to magically be better than a 2013 Boss, much less the Laguna Seca...
Now that right there is crazy talk.
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Then the GT500 is just as quick as the 1LE with 124 less hp....Cool.....The 13 GT500 ran a little quicker than the 1LE at VIR this yr. on the lightning lap with 236 +/- more hp.........A whole .9 seconds faster
Don't forget their comment that a bad missed shift caused a 1+ second addition to the 1LE time. So that means the 1LE would have bettered the GT500 time.
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Don't forget their comment that a bad missed shift caused a 1+ second addition to the 1LE time. So that means the 1LE would have bettered the GT500 time.
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There is a reason Ford wouldn't let them compare a Boss............
i agree with you.. there is a reason, more than what they gave
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:10 PM   #40
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Russo, you have to be kidding right? Last time I checked a 1LE starts at ~<$38,000k. I payed less than that for mine and many others too.

Sorry to burst your bubble man, but the BOSS 302 Laguna Seca beating 1LE can be cheaper than a 5.0 GT track pack.
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It was a odd, but they had the 1LE a bit more loaded with options than the Mustang GT w/ Track Pack was. It didnt give a real apples to apples comparison as far as price is concerned.
I'll have to disagree. Unless the $4,000 premium package is required to purchase the Mustang track pack a GT with the track pack could be had for $33,590 according to this article. A non RS 1SS/1LE with no options can be had just barely over 37k. The price is the only thing going for the Mustang. Also ford has bigger rebates going for their models right now.
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:15 PM   #41
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The price is the only thing going for the Mustang. Also ford has bigger rebates going for their models right now.
may be since they were outsold by Camaros. (pretty sure i read that somewhere).
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:01 PM   #42
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Ford could not stop MT from putting a Boss 302 if they were willing to do so on their own dime or with an owners car. All Ford refused to do is give them a Boss 302 to use for this particular article.
you're right, which sounds like to me:

"give us a free car to tear up or else we'll give you a poor review against your biggest competitor"
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:16 PM   #43
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Of course the Track Pack Mustang get you nothing extra that helps handling over the Brembo package which is mainly just better tires.

You need to step up the the Boss to get a car comparable to the 1LE.

This was a lame comparison test. Typical Motor Trend.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:23 AM   #44
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Wow, a BOSS 302 Mustang with DRAG radials performing impressively at the dragstrip!!!! What's next, a GT500 Shelby with supercharger removed, 6 cylinders deactivated and a solar panel instead of glass roof getting 20mpg city, on a VOLT forum!!!! Awesome!

The BOSS has a sole purpose, road racing. It got its behind handed by the 1LE at $5000 cheaper on a ROAD COURSE. It also showed a few tricks to the BOSS LS, which is a lot, a lot, more.

No that is impressive.


lol that is bone stock. with dr's it's 11's.


the camaros are faster at the road course. we all know that and need to accept that. 1LE is faster...period.


we all go to the road course, and on the street road course victories is what matters.
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Ford could not stop MT from putting a Boss 302 versus a 1LE if they were willing to do so on their own dime or with an owners car. All Ford refused to do is give them a Boss 302 to use for this particular article. Yeah, because they wussed out.

Ford has been offering incentives on the Mustang forever. Even when there wasn't a Camaro being produced.

Some folks on here are poor winners!
We're poor winners because this comparison sucked. We've been waiting for a Boss LS comparison since Al O called it out. They might as well have used a V-6 Mustang.
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The price is the only thing going for the Mustang. Also ford has bigger rebates going for their models right now.
may be since they were outsold by Camaros. (pretty sure i read that somewhere).

was the original quote.

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Ford has been offering incentives on the Mustang forever. Even when there wasn't a Camaro being produced.

Some folks on here are poor winners!
my statement had nothing to do with the fact that they were having rebates or incentives. the op noted that ford has bigger rebates right now. not in the past tense.
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i compared Motortrends track time of the 1LE and 2012 Boss LS and there was about a 20 second difference... im not sure if the 2013 is twenty seconds better, but it goes to show you that the limitations of the suspension on the Mustang is holding it back...
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i compared Motortrends track time of the 1LE and 2012 Boss LS and there was about a 20 second difference... im not sure if the 2013 is twenty seconds better, but it goes to show you that the limitations of the suspension on the Mustang is holding it back...
If I am not mistaken, and I could very well be, but the track the Boss LS was tested on was a signifigantly LONGER version of the track and means that in no way, shape, or form can be compared..... and please tell me how it would make any sense for the GT to be withing 3 seconds and the boss only within 20........
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So motortrend was Lame because they tested a 2SS 1LE against a Mustang GT Premimum with the Track Pack package because the Camaro cost $4,000 more than the Mustang. Then we have those saying the Boss LS would have beed a closer race if they had used it. well, I just priced a Boss LS on Fords website and it listed for $49,990. the Camaro SS 1LE listed for $43,105. so that is over $7,800 difference.
In that account by some peoples reasoning on here the Boss LS should beat the Camaro SS 1LE almost twice as badly as the Camaro SS 1LE beat the Mustang GT.

Remember MT WANTED to use a Boss LS to test against the SS 1LE but it was FORD'S decision not to do it. So don't blame MT for being lame, Blame Ford for being the LAME ONE.
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