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Old 01-06-2013, 01:09 PM   #35
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Way I look at it, there will always be faster, better looking etc models in the future. You get something that you are happy with don't let possible future models spoil that.

If you really must, then trade in what you had for the new shinier thing.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:22 PM   #36
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FWIW i think the 1le is modeled after the SSX but uses Zl1 stuff to make it a consumer product
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:49 PM   #37
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I love the idea of the LS7 Z/28. My reason for this is.... If the Z/28 does come out, like stated in this post the line will be out the door and around the block. So, with that being said the 1LE production numbers will go way down and "we" 1LE owners will be owners of limited production number cars then watch our resale number take off.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:34 PM   #38
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If they make an LS7 i am sure it will be considerably more expensive than the 1Le package SS cars. IMHO I am not jealous of ANY Camaro owner EXCEPT the 1LE owners, those cars really deliver on their promises and should be the future inspiration for all GM cars. Just my $.02 for what it is worth.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:36 PM   #39
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If they were to put the LS7 in the 1LE, the 1LE would have to be retuned again. The Chevy engineers tuned the suspension and drivetrain for the SS, because of its "dreded understeer," and to make it a track star. The 1LE has the same engine at the SS, so no horsepower difference. Whenever you add more horsepower, you have add more traction, and the only way to do that is to retune the suspension and brakes. The LS7 is a high revving engine, with 79 more horsepower and 50 more torque than the SS. With this much more horsepower, the 1LE suspension will be like driving on ice...no control. It might help with exit acceleration and top end speed, but you will need to slow rapidly and handle turns, repeatedly. Oh and I can't see Chevy going with an adjustable suspension system.

This is what I want to see and I think I saw it on the Z28 section:

LS7+ZL1 suspension-MRC(if it's possible at all)+ZL1 brakes or carbon rotors
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:42 PM   #40
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what happens IF gm releases the ls7 powered car next year that is said to be all but certian? the car will for sure be a z-28 and have all the same goodies as the zl1, which really screws current 1le owners..

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Not just the 1LE owners. I bought a 45th vert 2SS, I currently only have about 1500 miles on it and I will let it go for a Z/28. I am not mad, I just understand that things work this way. If GM put out everthing right away no one would buy. Dodge did the same with the challenger, there was a 5.7 Hemi, then the 6.1 and now the 392(6.4) Who knows, maybe they will put out a 426?

Its just one of those things. You like the 1LE, enjoy it, I enjoy my car. If they don't make an LS7 then I will be especially happy I got the 45th, but I have a feeling there is going to be a Z28. Who knows, it sould just be an engine option and no Z/28 badge. Then in 2015 we get the z/28 badge? All the 2014 LS7 people would be upset but thats how it goes.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:47 PM   #41
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Here's a "What If"

I posted this What If in another thread.

What if the LS7 Camaro turns out to be a Street Legal version of the COPO instead of the Z28?
Would anyone want one?
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:50 PM   #42
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Not just the 1LE owners. I bought a 45th vert 2SS, I currently only have about 1500 miles on it and I will let it go for a Z/28. I am not mad, I just understand that things work this way. If GM put out everthing right away no one would buy. Dodge did the same with the challenger, there was a 5.7 Hemi, then the 6.1 and now the 392(6.4) Who knows, maybe they will put out a 426?

Its just one of those things. You like the 1LE, enjoy it, I enjoy my car. If they don't make an LS7 then I will be especially happy I got the 45th, but I have a feeling there is going to be a Z28. Who knows, it sould just be an engine option and no Z/28 badge. Then in 2015 we get the z/28 badge? All the 2014 LS7 people would be upset but thats how it goes.
This is very true. Special editions are one way the manufacturers keep interest, especially with these types of cars and ESPECIALLY when they are a few years into a model run. It helps keep it fresh and keep interest in product, especially with a new model on the horizon in a few short years. Only problem today is people expect more the special editions than just tape, wheels, and stickers so the best of the breed usually hits the market from the middle to the end of a model run.

Something else I have been cosidering is where exactly would an LS7 fit in the pricing structure? you have what, a 10k difference between a 2SS 1LE and the ZL1 and that is kind of a small gap, not to mention the 1LE is also dangerously close to the performance of the Zl1 in many aspects and there is a good possiblity a lighter 550 HP LS7 with the 1LEs gearing and transmission advantages could pretty easily match and even equip the ZL1. Would they try to squeexze it in the middle or would it actually be a pricier and higher model than the ZL1? Am I overthinking it?
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:57 PM   #43
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This is very true. Special editions are one way the manufacturers keep interest, especially with these types of cars and ESPECIALLY when they are a few years into a model run. It helps keep it fresh and keep interest in product, especially with a new model on the horizon in a few short years. Only problem today is people expect more the special editions than just tape, wheels, and stickers so the best of the breed usually hits the market from the middle to the end of a model run.

Something else I have been cosidering is where exactly would an LS7 fit in the pricing structure? you have what, a 10k difference between a 2SS 1LE and the ZL1 and that is kind of a small gap, not to mention the 1LE is also dangerously close to the performance of the Zl1 in many aspects and there is a good possiblity a lighter 550 HP LS7 with the 1LEs gearing and transmission advantages could pretty easily match and even equip the ZL1. Would they try to squeexze it in the middle or would it actually be a pricier and higher model than the ZL1? Am I overthinking it?
No , I am thinking the same way. I have also been wondering what angle Chevrolet would take if they do an LS7 option. With all these reviews of the 1LE coming in and it being pretty close to the ZL1 in most comparisons. It will be a fine line they will have to walk to squeeze all 3 of those high performing Camaro's in their line-up.
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I posted this What If in another thread.

What if the LS7 Camaro turns out to be a Street Legal version of the COPO instead of the Z28?
Would anyone want one?
^^^ ...This may just be the answer right here! When the original COPO cars were built the COPO Camaro was only allowed to be ran in the all new AHRA Pro Stock class.."IF" atleast 50 production models were made available to the general public. It would make sense for them to offer a "limited" run of street legal COPO's now. Especially being that the LS7 is a low production engine anyway. ............ ..Food for thought for sure..
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FWIW i think the 1le is modeled after the SSX but uses Zl1 stuff to make it a consumer product
That is pretty much what I said/meant to say with the links I provided.

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]If the Z/28 does come out, like stated in this post the line will be out the door and around the block. So, with that being said the 1LE production numbers will go way down and "we" 1LE owners will be owners of limited production number cars then watch our resale number take off.
I agree about the low number production car part. Your resale/car value will only maintain or go up if the car is in EXCELLENT condition with very little miles.
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^^^ ...This may just be the answer right here! When the original COPO cars were built the COPO Camaro was only allowed to be ran in the all new AHRA Pro Stock class.."IF" atleast 50 production models were made available to the general public. It would make sense for them to offer a "limited" run of street legal COPO's now. Especially being that the LS7 is a low production engine anyway. ............ ..Food for thought for sure..
If you believe the Vin card that lists the LS7 it doesn't show anything COPO related. An LS7 Camaro would most likely be low production but not that low. I would think ZL1 type production numbers or higher.
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If you believe the Vin card that lists the LS7 it doesn't show anything COPO related. An LS7 Camaro would most likely be low production but not that low. I would think ZL1 type production numbers or higher.
Didn't someone say that the VIN card was preliminary and no way complete? Who knows what if any of it was the real deal. I was just giving a What If scenario...
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If you believe the Vin card that lists the LS7 it doesn't show anything COPO related. An LS7 Camaro would most likely be low production but not that low. I would think ZL1 type production numbers or higher.
I'm not sure what their marketing strategy will be if it is a completely different model and not an engine option only. Unless its a street version of the COPO. The line-up will be extremely crowded if its a Z28, IMO. Either way I am interested to see "if" this even becomes reality and if so , to what extent.
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If they build an LS7 based Camaro it will be a Z28 you can bet on it. And if they build it, it will market itself. A 1LE + ZL1 Brakes + Aero + LS7 = Z28 in every way possible according to its original design.
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If they build an LS7 based Camaro it will be a Z28 you can bet on it. And if they build it, it will market itself. A 1LE + ZL1 Brakes + Aero + LS7 = Z28 in every way possible according to its original design.
The original design for the Z/28 used the smallest V8 available, it was a high revving small 302 CI 5L engine. Not a 427. If they ever bring out a new Z/28, I bet it will use the new Corvette 5.5L engine.
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The original design for the Z/28 used the smallest V8 available, it was a high revving small 302 CI 5L engine. Not a 427. If they ever bring out a new Z/28, I bet it will use the new Corvette 5.5L engine.
Exactly....The COPO used the 427ci in 1969.... Z/28 used a 302ci
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