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Old 02-15-2013, 10:51 AM   #26
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twin turbos.. I loved the turbo stuff back when I had my mustang..

Took me from a 300rwhp to a 600+rwhp on lower boost.. then probably tripled my motorhorsepower at 23 or so.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:03 PM   #27
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I love my turbos but if your supercharger kit can hold 1k whp then what is the point of switching?
Therein lies the dilemma. My D1SC is maxed at 5300 rpm with belt slip and is too small anyway for this big breathing motor. I can get a custom TT setup for the same price as switching head units and upgrading the inter cooler. I just have no seat time behind a TT.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:14 PM   #28
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Therein lies the dilemma. My D1SC is maxed at 5300 rpm with belt slip and is too small anyway for this big breathing motor. I can get a custom TT setup for the same price as switching head units and upgrading the inter cooler. I just have no seat time behind a TT.
Turbos would be the max to match the engine you built every thing else will just be short of and you will be there eventually. If I had that motor it would be turbo for sure. MAX it out or you will never be satisfied it is a disease that only wants more power to push our heavy weights down the road or track and to kick that fox body Mustangs ass.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:18 PM   #29
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If the goal is 1000+rwhp I would go twins all day. You can get there on pump gas and a 110% street car on relatively low boost (16-17psi).

Being able to adjust from 3-different boost settings (So the car isn't always in "Race" mode) is a nice bonus

Splash in race gas and turn up the boost into the low 20's and make 1200+rwhp or pull it back to 10psi and roll around on "Only" 700rwhp.
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+1 I'm not in that league (1,000 whp), but I run 3 different boost settings, from 620 whp street to 760 whp by just flipping a switch, I've been driving my tt for over 3 years now, turbos have never been an issue......just make sure it's a well designed system and use good reputable brands which looks like your builder is already doing
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Just drove down to Ft Worth to my shop SNL Performance. They have done 95% of my car so far....outstanding shop BTW!

Had to pick up my broken LS3 and aeromotive eliminator pump, speed controller, and my old LPE dual pump setup as well as a other miscellaneous odds and ends. This motor with SNL V3 cam will be built and go into my '83 K10 4x4 eventually

Anyway, Steve the owner and Dustin the lead tech talked me into a custom Twin Precision Turbo 6766 setup.

Im running the little D1sc on this big breathing HKE LSX427 with Mast LS7 6 bolt heads and its over tasked and major slip at 5300 rpm.

So my options are F1r with big race intercooler, new tubing and BOV or twin 6766 turbos custom built.

SNL will custom fabricate this system for a pretty good deal since my car has pretty much been built by these guys.

Car is almost 100% street car and will see the 2.5 mile road course a few times a year....probably never will see the 1/4 or 1/8.

Not a daily driver, just a nice retirement present... The 700rwhp now is insane but this motor is capable of so much more. Might as well get the most out of it.

So, F1R, F1X with race intercooler and new tubing or custom TT setup running twin PT6766

My goal is a good driving street car that joins the 1000rwhp club here on Camaro5. Read my sig line for mods so far.

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I was just thinking about posting this as well...

Has it become available yet though?
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All I can say is I love my tt set up. Absolute power in any rpm. The idle and street manners are better then stock. And the quiet sleeper approach is awesome, until you hit the pedal, and hear jet engines. I am in love 1 yr later like a married couple.
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Does anyone know if the f1-r is a good street head unit?
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:27 PM   #34
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That unit is monstrous, bigger than the F1X. I really dont want to hack into my shock tower to get anything to fit. I have looked at this and was intrigued.

Im thinking, nothing ventured nothing gained. I may just try the TT route. My shop is using all quality parts and will coat the units and manifolds and the piping as well. They are going to use Precision Turbo 6766 turbos and should allow for future endeavors if i feel the need. The 3 different boost levels i did not know about.....does this require 3 different tunes? I have the EFI Live AutoCal that can store 5 of Pat G's tunes.

Thanks guys.....what ever became of Darth Emma's twin build?
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According to the thread about about the V11 XB110, it would require fabbing a power steering bracket and some surgery of the shock tower and possibly the frame rail. I am going to stuff one of these in my car one of these days (years)... mark my words.

Emma's engine is being rebuilt according to her thread. She is changing intakes, heads, and some other stuff IIRC.

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I predict you going TT and you will scratch that itch you have and be in the know whether you did the correct thing or not which be will judged by the grin factor you will possess.
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Does anyone know if the f1-r is a good street head unit?
The F1R sucks for a street unit because of heat issues. I had one and trying to drive it around it would get to 230 degrees instantly and that's with the large race intercooler. I switched to an F2 with same intercooler and haven't seen the temp get any higher than 174 degrees.
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Here's something to keep in mind when you make your decision, I loved twin turbos when I had my import, but what I love about a blower is popping the hood and just showing it off to people. If you're gonna do that with TT, you might as well bring a portable lift. It would be like pulling your pants down to show everyone your small dick. Just saying. That's the only downside I can see. Another thing you can think about is Vortech's new TI trim. It's said to be released soon, and is suppose to achieve 1000rwhp.
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That unit is monstrous, bigger than the F1X. I really dont want to hack into my shock tower to get anything to fit. I have looked at this and was intrigued.
yea the V11 is what i was thinking from the first post. we have one coming our way to try and fit into a F body, a c6 and our drag car. These blowers are going to be CRAZY! your talking 1900 HP capable...

Im also trying to talk one of our YSI 2010 camaro builds into switching o this and letting us fab one in. the biggest thing looks like there will need to be a new bracket made to hold the blower, and the tower will need to be modified. RMCR send there blower back to Vortec and we will hopefully be getting that one in here soon and getting it to fit on a few cars and doing some testing! That would be the ultimate!

i have had 2 1000HP TT cars, and have 3 SC cars right now
one of those SC cars were a TT car, but now has a YSI. ........yet i am building a TT car also for me now. LOL. i love them BOTH and so will you with whichever decision you make.
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Here's something to keep in mind when you make your decision, I loved twin turbos when I had my import, but what I love about a blower is popping the hood and just showing it off to people. If you're gonna do that with TT, you might as well bring a portable lift. It would be like pulling your pants down to show everyone your small dick. Just saying. That's the only downside I can see. Another thing you can think about is Vortech's new TI trim. It's said to be released soon, and is suppose to achieve 1000rwhp.
The TI trim has been out for 2ish months now it took the place of the T trim, the YSI is bigger (1200HP) and still street friendly. the Ysi would be the best route if you were going vortec. unless he wants to do a fab kit and do the V11.
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That unit is monstrous, bigger than the F1X. I really dont want to hack into my shock tower to get anything to fit. I have looked at this and was intrigued.

Im thinking, nothing ventured nothing gained. I may just try the TT route. My shop is using all quality parts and will coat the units and manifolds and the piping as well. They are going to use Precision Turbo 6766 turbos and should allow for future endeavors if i feel the need. The 3 different boost levels i did not know about.....does this require 3 different tunes? I have the EFI Live AutoCal that can store 5 of Pat G's tunes.

Thanks guys.....what ever became of Darth Emma's twin build?
If you SD tune the car right, at all those levels you wont need 3 different tunes one will do it all, it will fuel for whatever KPA you will be running
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The TI trim has been out for 2ish months now it took the place of the T trim, the YSI is bigger (1200HP) and still street friendly. the Ysi would be the best route if you were going vortec. unless he wants to do a fab kit and do the V11.
That's weird. I called Vortech last month and they said they have shops doing testing, but aren't ready to release to the public yet. They also said that if I was to switch out to the TI, that they highly recommend not doing it unless I had a built motor, that's what made me think that this might work well for him.
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That's weird. I called Vortech last month and they said they have shops doing testing, but aren't ready to release to the public yet. They also said that if I was to switch out to the TI, that they highly recommend not doing it unless I had a built motor, that's what made me think that this might work well for him.
Well IDK who told you that. All our A&A kits we do on vettes have came with them since late December. And its just like the YSI. you "CAN" run it on a stock motor just fine, just dont turn the bastard way up!

Its a super kewl blower. lower IAts than the T trim, and yet you can get 100-150 MORE rwhp out of it! If your wanting to get on i can get you one.
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Well IDK who told you that. All our A&A kits we do on vettes have came with them since late December. And its just like the YSI. you "CAN" run it on a stock motor just fine, just dont turn the bastard way up!

Its a super kewl blower. lower IAts than the T trim, and yet you can get 100-150 MORE rwhp out of it! If your wanting to get on i can get you one.
It was Vortech who told me. I'm good with the blower I have now. Thanks though. I figure next year when i build my motor, which is something you and I will talk about, I'll switch blowers. It'll be more convenient to run the oil lines at that point.
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Jim,
I think you have already made up your mind and are yearning for approval...
I predict you going TT and you will scratch that itch you have and be in the know whether you did the correct thing or not which be will judged by the grin factor you will possess.

Nice Blake, i like your wisdom here, though it is a bit perplexing. So, i take it you think i would like the Twins.

I yearn for no approval, never have. Perhaps one of my many downfalls. But i have learned over the years to tap the knowledge of those with more experience.

I love my D1 but am ready for more. I guess if the twin 6766's dont do it for me i can move on to whatever Procharger or Vortech has out in a year or so. I may do this sooner rather than later.

Thanks for the help so far!! Need more turbo guys to chime in....you guys are weak!!!!
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I was just messing with you Jim. The approval comment was meant to be taken tongue in cheek. If it were me, I would do the TT simply because I have been down the blower road. Nothing wrong with it, I love mine. I know I would always wonder "what if I had done the turbos?" I would want to know the answer. It could turn out TT's are just the ticket for you but you won't know if you don't go down that road.

I was thinking of twin turbos in the future, but I really REALLY want that V11 xb110 stuffed in my engine bay...
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Nice Blake, i like your wisdom here, though it is a bit perplexing. So, i take it you think i would like the Twins.

I yearn for no approval, never have. Perhaps one of my many downfalls. But i have learned over the years to tap the knowledge of those with more experience.

I love my D1 but am ready for more. I guess if the twin 6766's dont do it for me i can move on to whatever Procharger or Vortech has out in a year or so. I may do this sooner rather than later.

Thanks for the help so far!! Need more turbo guys to chime in....you guys are weak!!!!
If you don't have to answer them right away... give me two weeks to get my car ready, come down my way and I'll take you for a ride... I'll show you weak...!!! lol... me... you...

You can spend the night since it's such a long drive... We have room...
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If you don't have to answer them right away... give me two weeks to get my car ready, come down my way and I'll take you for a ride... I'll show you weak...!!! lol... me... you...

You can spend the night since it's such a long drive... We have room...
Thanks Robert....you dont want me as a house guest. Most people snore from the mouth. I snore from my hind end!!! Stinks after a while according to my wife

I do plan to pulley down this D1sc and add a smaller belt soon. Procharger says it will still slip....but slip with 3 psi more boost. That should be good for another 30-40 hp.

I told Pat Guerra aka PatG when i do pulley down, i will drive down to Victoria to let him tune it in his environment instead of up here it Ft Worth at SNLPerformance. Were gonna add a ZR1 3 bar MAP sensor at the same time.

I figure i will run this for about 3-6 months then go the TT route.

I would love a ride in Brandi. Never been in a turbo car. You still running the 3.07 gears, am also real curious how your highly modded M6 is working. Remember when you drive thru Wichita Falls, let me know. That T-38C simulator ride is waiting. I'll put you on the wing of another T-38 down below the canyon walls of the Grand Canyon and see how long you last!!!
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