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Old 09-22-2011, 04:53 PM   #51
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You need a dash kit in order to change out the head unit since the A/C controls etc. are part of it.

Is there a reason why you don't want to just call onstar and tell them to disable your data connection? That way you can keep the unit installed.

From the privacy statement "You may deactivate the Data Connection to your Vehicle at any time by contacting an OnStar Advisor."
Stock head unit it is.

If you can request them to disable connection I'll do that, but it'll never be known if they're actually still connected or not unless it is physically disabled or removed from the car.

Not a huge deal, though, just something I'm keeping in mind.
First need the car to come in. LOL
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:56 PM   #52
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If there were some way to prove they actually turned it off, that would be the easiest route. But there is no proof and you just have to take there word for it. If the people in this thread trusted onstar enough to take there word for it, we likely wouldn't want to disable the system to begin with.


If you are looking to get a new head unit, JUST to keep Bluetooth voice, I would consider bluestar. It's made specifically to give you back Bluetooth when you disable onstar and cost cheaper than a new head unit and dash kit. http://www.costartech.com/pb/products/products.html
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:34 PM   #53
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Stock head unit it is.

If you can request them to disable connection I'll do that, but it'll never be known if they're actually still connected or not unless it is physically disabled or removed from the car.

Not a huge deal, though, just something I'm keeping in mind.
First need the car to come in. LOL
Yes its stated multiple times in the privacy statement and on their website that you can call them to disable it. You can also call them to limit certain parts of what they share (not sure what the options are at this time but im looking into it).

If not knowing 100% bothers you enough to lose sleep at night then yes, you'll have to take the whole module out.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:22 PM   #54
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It does indeed appear, according to GM documents, that the afore-mentioned fuse in the F-14D (Tomcat) location only powers the OnStar module:

The fuse location is verified in the upper left corner of the attached schematic. Note that there may be a backup battery which would keep it alive for a bit (pins 13 & 14, there in the top middle section of the schematic). Towards the upper right corner, there are the connections #2 & 3 for "cellular phone and digital radio" antennae. They don't specify which is which, but the lefthand one has arrows which seem to indicate bi-directional activity (transmission and reception) versus the righthand one has one arrow pointing inwards (ostensibly meaning reception only). So if you're worried about losing BlueTooth connectivity with your phone, WHICH WILL BE LOST if you pull the fuse (you can see the BT antenna on the far right of module in the attached pic; and the document I quoted from above also specifies hands-free BT, if equipped, being handled by this module) you should be able to pull antenna connector #3 and be good to go (if you lose sat reception, put that one back and try the other one!). You'll have duct-taped it's mouth so to speak, and given it a nice tall glass of stfu, without disrupting any of the other functions.
Zach, thanks for the information
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You can only disable Onstar by trading to a 5.0 Coyote .
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:01 PM   #56
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Thread resurrection! (disclaimer: If you are emotionally effected by this event, please do not read, haha) New guy here, jumping on this topic since I just did this today... I didn't want Onstar but did want a new Camaro. I didn't special order, so no option not to have it. So I decided to yank it and cut off big brother. The unit in my 2012 seems a little different, it only has L1 - L3, and just one antenna connection. Pic:



Curious why diff, anyway, I took out the fuse and unpluged everything and took the box out. The car runs fine, no weirdness, although the bluetooth button on the steering does not work, but HAL (The green eye on the mirror) is dead.

Yeah, I know, had the 6 mo free, but really, it's too easy to steal a car if you want to and if I am going to be in an accident where I can't get to my phone, I will most likely be dead, haha. If my cell can't reach anyone, neither will Onstar. I worked for a cell company for 4 years, so you know...
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:14 PM   #57
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Got an e-mail from Onstar yesterday, they are NOT going to do what they said they were, due to the feed back they recieved. Anyone esle get the e-mail?
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:57 PM   #58
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Feedback? C'mon man, you take a corp at it's word? I work for a corp. If they have anything that can show a profit, it will be utilized one way or another, or at another time masked as something else, or in the back door somehow. Money is money and this is the information age.

I like the idea of it, but comparing onstar to other services, its GPS to other companies, it is lacking and dated. -But man, what a grab if you can hook up on the gov't payroll to share info, and with insurance companies, credit companies, etc. Yeah yeah, they made an announcement. I love those. You have the huddle, assess the damage, come up with a plan of action, come up with a tiered plan of how to get around it, see how you can merge it into something else, and when you come up with the new plan, you get your public relations people to write a mind blowing announcment: "We're sorry." Haha..

This is of course IMHO. Ask Onstar for verification of deletion of info. Can't get it. They got it all. What will happen with it in the future? Depends what the 'need' or 'value' is.
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Old 11-03-2011, 06:25 PM   #59
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I just got off the phone with onstar and I asked them about the selling/giving away of data and they assured me that they never did that to begin with. They did try to pass it by in their terms and conditions but it was never set into motion because of the negative feedback that they got. I also asked them to send me confirmation that it never happened and they resfused because "the terms and conditions are suficiant". Now my personal opinion of that is a little shadey. If you say something then semi-refuse to send me confirmation, I say semi cause they did say the terms and conditions are suficiant, it raises suspicion.

IMO if you are going to do something that could be traced back to you with negative consequences then just unplug the stupid thing and plug it back in when your done. I doubt you are going to be focused on your hands free calling if you take it out racing.
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Old 05-17-2012, 10:51 AM   #60
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Thread resurrection! (disclaimer: If you are emotionally effected by this event, please do not read, haha) New guy here, jumping on this topic since I just did this today... I didn't want Onstar but did want a new Camaro. I didn't special order, so no option not to have it. So I decided to yank it and cut off big brother. The unit in my 2012 seems a little different, it only has L1 - L3, and just one antenna connection. Pic:



Curious why diff, anyway, I took out the fuse and unpluged everything and took the box out. The car runs fine, no weirdness, although the bluetooth button on the steering does not work, but HAL (The green eye on the mirror) is dead.

Yeah, I know, had the 6 mo free, but really, it's too easy to steal a car if you want to and if I am going to be in an accident where I can't get to my phone, I will most likely be dead, haha. If my cell can't reach anyone, neither will Onstar. I worked for a cell company for 4 years, so you know...

Where was the box located?
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:09 AM   #61
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I knew this was coming. When I first got my 2010 ss/rs one of my first projects was disabling Onstar. It's not as simple as a fuse pull since that would make onstar an ineffective theft deterent.

On my 2010 removing the unit did lose BT but that's not a big deal since GMs BT is practically worthless due to mic positioning and noise levels in the car. More imortant for me was that removal of the Onstar unit lost remote start capability.

My final solution was the disconnection of the cellular antenna wire and building an antenna dummy load that would effective sink the celluar transmission withinout burning out the transmitter. The main problem that I was having was my cell booster picking up the weak signal coming off the antenna coax so it was neccesary to completely sink the signal. At the time my car was still under warranty and I didn't want to make mods that could not be reversed. Since then I've decided that the dealerships will never touch my car as long as I own it.

On his 2011 Icetre says the dummy load mod did not work. (possibly due to design changes or maybe the dummy load that he was using?) so Icetre came up with a mod to remove the Onstar unit and add a patch at the network level. I can't say if this effected other systems but, I do want to try this someday to test remote start. It would be nice to free up the space and dead weight of the onstar unit and this technique could probably be applied to other GM vehicles.

I can't be much help on the newer Camaros but, where there is a will theres a way. Just keep in mind that GM does'nt want to make this too easy. I would not trust a dealer mod since its in their best interest to keep your car on the air.

search for: "darkstar" or "onstar delete"

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Old 05-25-2012, 05:24 AM   #62
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I knew this was coming. When I first got my 2010 ss/rs one of my first projects was disabling Onstar. It's not as simple as a fuse pull since that would make onstar an ineffective theft deterent.

On my 2010 removing the unit did lose BT but that's not a big deal since GMs BT is practically worthless due to mic positioning and noise levels in the car. More imortant for me was that removal of the Onstar unit lost remote start capability.

My final solution was the disconnection of the cellular antenna wire and building an antenna dummy load that would effective sink the celluar transmission withinout burning out the transmitter. The main problem that I was having was my cell booster picking up the weak signal coming off the antenna coax so it was neccesary to completely sink the signal. At the time my car was still under warranty and I didn't want to make mods that could not be reversed. Since then I've decided that the dealerships will never touch my car as long as I own it.

On his 2011 Icetre says the dummy load mod did not work. (possibly due to design changes or maybe the dummy load that he was using?) so Icetre came up with a mod to remove the Onstar unit and add a patch at the network level. I can't say if this effected other systems but, I do want to try this someday to test remote start. It would be nice to free up the space and dead weight of the onstar unit and this technique could probably be applied to other GM vehicles.

I can't be much help on the newer Camaros but, where there is a will theres a way. Just keep in mind that GM does'nt want to make this too easy. I would not trust a dealer mod since its in their best interest to keep your car on the air.

search for: "darkstar" or "onstar delete"
I have bben wanting to get rid of this **** thing since I got the car. Younger naive people don't get it. I think people who drive Camaros shouldn't want spies onboard. I'll try searching your suggestions. Thanks for a solution, or atleast an effort.
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:57 AM   #63
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:34 AM   #64
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I get a kick out of this never ending argument. The point is, the Onstar serves no useful purpose for me and I don't like the idea of it. GM can kiss my snow white a$$ because they stuck this unwanted technology in my car.

On the new onstar unit, my guess is that the single coax is the gps. They may have hidden the transceiver module and/or antenna elsewhere or gone with an internal antenna. If someone happens to be swapping out the skarkfin for painted one, check the number and type of coax cables coming into the sharkfin. If two coax you should be able to trace one back to the transceiver or a blind connector.
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:30 PM   #65
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Would love to know how I could disable this in my 2012 2LT.

Disable, Remove, whatever. Although I don't care about bluetooth, remote start is a nice feature to have...

Can a dealer disable it? Does it void the warranty?
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Old 06-06-2012, 05:38 PM   #66
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Would love to know how I could disable this in my 2012 2LT.

Disable, Remove, whatever. Although I don't care about bluetooth, remote start is a nice feature to have...

Can a dealer disable it? Does it void the warranty?
The dealer will remove OnStar for free from any vehicle.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:23 AM   #67
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so is there a way to disable it WITH keeping cell phone bluetooth?
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Just remove the cellular card or antenna.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:48 AM   #69
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I don't want onstar. Almost didn't buy because it. If Camaro wasn't my dream car there is no way I would have.

Don't want anyone tracking, recording or selling any information about me. Even if it's not an invasion of my privacy it's a scam/ripoff. Why doesn't my mylink have navigation, probably because of onstar's monthly sub. Had to buy a garmin even though I have this bigass screen in my dashboard. I know Sync get a lot of bad review, but my wife as an Edge and I love it. I'm a hater of all things microsuck but the Sync is just easy to use(once you get used to it) and nicely organized. Also has navigation and doesn't have onstar.
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I don't want onstar. Almost didn't buy because it. If Camaro wasn't my dream car there is no way I would have.

Don't want anyone tracking, recording or selling any information about me. Even if it's not an invasion of my privacy it's a scam/ripoff. Why doesn't my mylink have navigation, probably because of onstar's monthly sub. Had to buy a garmin even though I have this bigass screen in my dashboard. I know Sync get a lot of bad review, but my wife as an Edge and I love it. I'm a hater of all things microsuck but the Sync is just easy to use(once you get used to it) and nicely organized. Also has navigation and doesn't have onstar.
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I don't want onstar. Almost didn't buy because it. If Camaro wasn't my dream car there is no way I would have.

Don't want anyone tracking, recording or selling any information about me. Even if it's not an invasion of my privacy it's a scam/ripoff. Why doesn't my mylink have navigation, probably because of onstar's monthly sub. Had to buy a garmin even though I have this bigass screen in my dashboard. I know Sync get a lot of bad review, but my wife as an Edge and I love it. I'm a hater of all things microsuck but the Sync is just easy to use(once you get used to it) and nicely organized. Also has navigation and doesn't have onstar.
MyLink does have the Navigation option. I believe it was around $700.
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Bluetooth is part of Onstar, if you pull the onstar box you lose BT. You might be able to just disconnect the antenna, though, but if you love BT and hate Onstar, your bets bet is costar/bluestar.

I love how everybody always defends Onstar on here and think that those that have a problem with it are tin foil hat nutjobs. I don't want to hear any of you complain when your warranty is denied because Onstar noticed you accidentally overreved your engine, or you insurance goes up because you drove 1000 miles more than you said you would, or you have to pay a road tax because you drove x amount of miles on your local roads, etc.

The problem you all don't understand is that its a slippery slope, and the further the sled goes down the slope, the more momentum it builds up and the more difficult to stop. Sure, maybe right now they aren't going to give your information to the cops for an automatic speeding ticket because they know your car did 90 in a 65, however, give it a few years as they keep sharing more and more info. They'll keep sending out new privacy notices as you get used to it little by little, by the time you wake up, its too late.


Exactly, if you aren't concerned about this then you are either naive or lucky youv'e never experienced power abuses by insurance companies or police powers. There has been documented cases where I believe it was the FBI that listened to someone through the car microphones. Corporations will do everything they can to steal from your wallet, CEO's are the most unfeeling SOB's on the planet (ever been layed off?)

Like others the information I have seen out there is spotty. Some say that if you just unplug the unit, you will get codes and the fuel system will not work. I also saw a post that said if you unplug the antenna that it will still transmit to a cell tower through the bluetooth.

I'm not a tin-foil crazy, I've just worked in the computer/ electronics industry for a lot of years and have a Masters degree in Cyber-Security.

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