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Old 03-06-2013, 05:31 PM   #18
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Yeah. I just hope there are truckloads of Camaros at this show to let us see all the new changes.
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guess we will all find out at the end of March. Why would you expect the Z28 to be above the SS? It was the middle man in the 4th gens and 3rd. 4th gen SS was an upgraded Z28 and the 3rd gen IROC was an upgraded Z28 (there was no 3rd gen SS).
That's because the SS is the base V8 trim level this generation. In the first generation, the SS and Z/28 were upgraded trim levels. The only reason one or the other was higher before is because GM lost its way.
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There is going to be a blue with white striped car at New York with a motor we currently don't have available in it..
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I'm very interested in this as well.
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There is going to be a blue with white striped car at New York with a motor we currently don't have available in it..
Will it have the hood from the green hot wheels show car?
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...2015, maybe. Z/28 needs to IMHO, or will by design..., replace ZL1... Utilize all the ZL1 technology, without the LSA...incorporate a N/A DI FI 427 CID powerplant. Voila.
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...2015, maybe. Z/28 needs to IMHO, or will by design..., replace ZL1... Utilize all the ZL1 technology, without the LSA...incorporate a N/A DI FI 427 CID powerplant. Voila.
I don't see the Z/28 replacing the ZL1 because GM will want something to go agains the GT500. As long as there is a supercharged Mustang, there will be a supercharged Camaro. Supercharging doesn't belong on a Z/28 and neither does the mag ride suspension.
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Why does everyone keep saying that? The SS396 was faster, Which more power and more options. The only reason the Z28 was built was to meet SCCA racing standards. SCCA put a displacement restriction of 305ci. Ford and GM both did 302ci and Dodge did a 301ci (Im not positive on the dodge displacement). The Z28 package was a small displacement track car.
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dont spoil it!
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Supercharging doesn't belong on a Z/28 and neither does the mag ride suspension.
this here my friends, is the z/28.

The bridge between the 'base' ss and the zl1. It only makes sense to bring back the z/28. The prices of the ls7 engines are about to drop with the introduction of the new lt1. I dont see the z/28 being far off in price from the zl1 tho. $48k is my guess.
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Why does everyone keep saying that? The SS396 was faster, Which more power and more options. The only reason the Z28 was built was to meet SCCA racing standards. SCCA put a displacement restriction of 305ci. Ford and GM both did 302ci and Dodge did a 301ci (Im not positive on the dodge displacement). The Z28 package was a small displacement track car.
The L78 was the only 396 with more HP and then it was marginally more (the 302 numbers were deceptive for racing - 290 was at a much lower than capable RPM). Torque yes it was more in the SS, but it had a heavy BB in it to lug around. You couldn't get 4 wheel disc or cross ram on an L78. The Z28 could be had with every option, but AC and vert. In the end a Z28 and SS were apples and oranges.

And way more development money was spent on the Z28. Was it the top Camaro? Depends on ones perspective.
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The L78 was the only 396 with more HP and then it was marginally more (the 302 numbers were deceptive for racing - 290 was at a much lower than capable RPM). Torque yes it was more in the SS, but it had a heavy BB in it to lug around. You couldn't get 4 wheel disc or cross ram on an L78. The Z28 could be had with every option, but AC and vert. In the end a Z28 and SS were apples and oranges.

And way more development money was spent on the Z28. Was it the top Camaro? Depends on ones perspective.
I don't think either one is the top tier. They were both upgrades of the base car, just built for different purposes.
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The L78 was the only 396 with more HP and then it was marginally more (the 302 numbers were deceptive for racing - 290 was at a much lower than capable RPM). Torque yes it was more in the SS, but it had a heavy BB in it to lug around. You couldn't get 4 wheel disc or cross ram on an L78. The Z28 could be had with every option, but AC and vert. In the end a Z28 and SS were apples and oranges.

And way more development money was spent on the Z28. Was it the top Camaro? Depends on ones perspective.

I believe if you knew what boxes to tick you could get 4 wheels disc brakes on a 69 SS. Doing some searching it looks like it was RPO JL8 but seems like it was extremely rare.
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I believe if you knew what boxes to tick you could get 4 wheels disc brakes on a 69 SS. Doing some searching it looks like it was RPO JL8 but seems like it was extremely rare.
That and CR were only offered on the Z28. Now with all the backdoor builds being done like 427's (iron and aluminum) could you get the JL8 on an SS??? Maybe
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That and CR were only offered on the Z28. Now with all the backdoor builds being done like 427's (iron and aluminum) could you get the JL8 on an SS??? Maybe
I am not sure lol, but according to this source

http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/...es/rpo_jl8.htm

You could get it on ANY Camaro model from the factory if you wanted to put up the $$$ for it. That is solely what I am basing that on, so I could easily be wrong.
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Technically, any '69 Camaro was eligible for JL8...as long as it was a 12-bolt application. If not 12-bolt-equipped as per engine/driveline specified, the JL8 option price increased to cover the 10-bolt-to-12-bolt upgrade.

http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml#12-Bolt

http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/...es/rpo_jl8.htm

The option was NOT available on the mandatory BE-code HD 12-bolt that came with the COPOs, as the brakes simply would not fit on the ends of the axle tubes.

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