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Old 03-10-2013, 07:53 PM   #26
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How is testing it both ways being naive?

It it gives a increase then it obviously does something if it doesn't its garbage flat and simple
but Lethal whom has a sterling rep believe they work and have no connection to the company other than being a huge supporter of the original intake.

I'm betting he makes about 25 bucks at most on one.. that is not worth lieing to sell to ruin a rep.



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That's fine, I've been next to the Dyno during testing of this gimmick and it showed nothing during back to back testing. Not gonna mention who cause they are a sponsor and so us vararam. You can pick up 10 hp on a cammed and heads car just by cooling it off lol.

Sorry bud but I just don't buy it that's all. Nothing against you or anything, what bothers me is that vararam threw this at is started selling it and they never came back to defend their product or get into details of how it's supposed to work they just left us bickering. Just saying.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:54 PM   #27
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No I have a cold air intake, I think everyone should have one, along with long tube headers. Air in and air out. It's a process. But reading this forum I see people driving themselves nuts over what brand to get, I saw one thread where a guy was going to rip out on brand and install another one because he was convinced it was going to have better gains. I also don't think a power wedge is going to do anything. You can talk about the few hp it claims its gonna give you, but good luck feeling it and it's certainly not gonna make a difference on your times at the track. If you look up the past 10 posts I have made about CAI they all say the same thing, I take exception to the "following" comment. I have been and will always be consistent. I didn't mean to offend you.
OK that's cool your post made it sound like you thought cais in general were worthless.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:58 PM   #28
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That's fine, I've been next to the Dyno during testing of this gimmick and it showed nothing during back to back testing. Not gonna mention who cause they are a sponsor and so is vararam. You can pick up 10 hp on a cammed and heads car just by cooling it off lol.

Sorry bud but I just don't buy it that's all. Nothing against you or anything, what bothers me is that vararam threw this at is started selling it and they never came back to defend their product or get into details of how it's supposed to work they just left us bickering. Just saying.
Agreed on that well most of it.

10 from cooling between runs is a tad high maybe 5 or so.

And I totally agree if it was the manufacturer claiming I'd say pffft ya right but its someone I actually trust telling me different which is making me think 2x


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Old 03-10-2013, 08:04 PM   #29
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I agree 5 lol

But hey if your guys say get it then go for it bud.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:04 PM   #30
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OK that's cool your post made it sound like you thought cais in general were worthless.
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All good. You should have CAI just don't obsess over the brand they all do the same thing. I'm not a fan of the power wedge .. Better ?
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:15 PM   #32
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why does it always come down to how much HP something makes? ported TB's show some gains...but the most important improvement is throttle response. why some people get so caught up in chasing numbers they forget there are other variables in the mix is beyond me.

i haven't done before and after testing with mine, but i suppose next time i hop on the dyno i will. and i'll do it in conjunction with a ported TB just for S&G's.

looking forward to your results OP.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:15 PM   #33
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why does it always come down to how much HP something makes? ported TB's show some gains...but the most important improvement is throttle response. why some people get so caught up in chasing numbers they forget there are other variables in the mix is beyond me.
That's easy. Show me any tangible graph that can show the increase in throttle response of a wedge vs stock. Opinion and SOP is so subjective it's not even funny. We have guys stating their new exhaust free'd up 20+whp on their cars and will SWEAR to it, just because it feels 20whp faster. Do you believe them too? If you want to make claims on here, we need them to be backed up with some kind of proof. My throttle response feels faster just doesn't cut it.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:46 PM   #34
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A shop with a engine dyno in a controlled environment should test this. It would put this debate to rest. Same goes for the ported TB.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:57 PM   #35
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A shop with a engine dyno in a controlled environment should test this. It would put this debate to rest. Same goes for the ported TB.
It has been tested by a few different shops and all showed gains, however many people still don't want to believe the results.
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It has been tested by a few different shops and all showed gains, however many people still don't want to believe the results.
Not talking HP gains, but TR improvement. A dyno won't show that.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:07 AM   #37
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That's easy. Show me any tangible graph that can show the increase in throttle response of a wedge vs stock. Opinion and SOP is so subjective it's not even funny. We have guys stating their new exhaust free'd up 20+whp on their cars and will SWEAR to it, just because it feels 20whp faster. Do you believe them too? If you want to make claims on here, we need them to be backed up with some kind of proof. My throttle response feels faster just doesn't cut it.
Exactly....!!!

Placebo: "I spent some money on a POS & it must make more HP because I spent some money"......

With all the TB acceleration placebo delays - all sheeples should immediately take their car to the dealer for warranty service to repair for free. And for those on the cheap, maybe you can stealer beg for a $1.00 off coupon for an increase in HP oil change (begins with the letter Z), gee.....

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Old 03-11-2013, 07:07 AM   #38
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It's amazing how much "press" this little piece of plastic gets....both good and bad.


Try it, if you don't like it sell it or return it...either way, there's no shortage of buyers for it.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:46 AM   #39
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That's easy. Show me any tangible graph that can show the increase in throttle response of a wedge vs stock. Opinion and SOP is so subjective it's not even funny. We have guys stating their new exhaust free'd up 20+whp on their cars and will SWEAR to it, just because it feels 20whp faster. Do you believe them too? If you want to make claims on here, we need them to be backed up with some kind of proof. My throttle response feels faster just doesn't cut it.
the only way i know to test throttle response is at the track. unfortunately, im not going any time soon. and even then, i am too much of a variable to provide consistent results. ...so...that being said.

did i need a dyno to realize the gains made from adding LT's? NOPE
did i need a dyno to realize the gains from my CAI? NOPE
or how about when i added my 3.91 gears? NOPE (its quick as shyt)
ported TB to be added to this list soon...

...just sayin.

yes, a dyno or 1/4 mi is nice when looking for the actual gain made with the addition of each part. i agree that you really won't feel a HP increase of anything under 10 (especially on an LS3). i disagree when it comes to throttle response (what i see as a direct result of added TQ). you can feel the difference in throttle response, you can hear, and see it. the car responds quicker, you can hear the engine rev up quicker, and you can see the RPM's climb faster. thats all the proof i need. but you'll probably tell me that my uncalibrated but dyno is off

anyhow, whats it gonna hurt? vararam will return it if you don't like it anyway.

i'll keep enjoying my placebo effect...
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This thing seems too easy to add to not do if you are adding a ported TB. Looking at the pics the concept seems logical enough. $100 is almost nothing when you think that it costs almost $80 to fill a Camaro from empty. What can it hurt?

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It has been tested by a few different shops and all showed gains, however many people still don't want to believe the results.
Please tell me what shop tested this on a engine dyno? A engine dyno is completely different from a chassis dyno because you can completely control the environment and all testing paramiters.
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Oh man this subject has been beat to death! Let's all agree to disagree and move on! Strange thing is I keep coming back to read this thread even though I know it's a loosing argument no matter what! I was thinking about getting one because I do believe in the feel you might get with throttle response but I'm installing 3.91's soon and I think THAT will give me all the throttle response I need! I'll put that $100 to better use to help pay for the gears install!
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^^^thete you go^^^

Those are real mods!
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^^^thete you go^^^

Those are real mods!
lol not like I'm not getting real mods either..
new ported/milled heads, new cam, new ported intake and TB and a crapload of other stuff.. we will see. like others said it's 100 bucks which is nothing.
I spend that on lunch some days.
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lol not like I'm not getting real mods either..
new ported/milled heads, new cam, new ported intake and TB and a crapload of other stuff.. we will see. like others said it's 100 bucks which is nothing.
I spend that on lunch some days.
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lol not like I'm not getting real mods either..
new ported/milled heads, new cam, new ported intake and TB and a crapload of other stuff.. we will see. like others said it's 100 bucks which is nothing.
I spend that on lunch some days.

Haha hey I didn't mean you weren't bud!
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:00 AM   #47
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i would go for it man. at worst you spent $100 dollars. wich in the big scheme of things is not that much. and i also agree that if shawn or nick say its good to go then it probably is. they havent been decieving or misleading in any way to me(they have had plenty of chances).
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:04 PM   #48
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Vararam Power Wedge

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Does it really work? Has anyone used it already.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:22 AM   #49
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Funny, saw a thread over on moderncamaro about this ....just now.
Im interested to know if the claims are true also.
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Yea I saw it first at phastek but I wanted to see if anyone has tried it. It seems to have pretty good support.
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