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Old 03-13-2013, 08:48 PM   #326
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It was not a replacement for the Z28. GM saw what they had created was NOT a Z28. It was/is a ZL1. In Gen1 they had 3 SS's 4 if you include the 427 SS. There IS room for a Z28 & a ZL1 as they are different Camaros as designed. The Z28 has never in its history competed against the GT500. The ZL1 has been brought back to do just that, cause the GT500 ain't goin' away.
,,,no, semantics....it initially was supossed to be the Z/28, that is common knowledge. It turned into the ZL1.....with much forward oversight to create something bigger and better than ever before to continue the project. The project started, stopped, was resurrected, and took on a whole new heigth and meaning than what was initially intended from it's beginning due to the time delay, determination to complete the product, new engineering and development, and vision to dare to do it..
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:21 PM   #327
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The problem with removing the ZL1 and making the Z/28 the only high performance model is that people would want it to have the performance and the comfort the ZL1 did.
The Z/28 is a pure track car and, in my opinion, stuff like mag suspension, heated/cooled seats, sun roof or anything like that, does not belong in the car. So if GM is lacking the top tier performance with all the comfort goodies, they might go elsewhere.

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Old 03-14-2013, 09:43 AM   #328
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The problem with removing the ZL1 and making the Z/28 the only high performance model is that people would want it to have the performance and the comfort the ZL1 did.
The Z/28 is a pure track car and, in my opinion, stuff like mag suspension, heated/cooled seats, sun roof or anything like that. So if GM is lacking the top tier performance with all the comfort goodies, they might go elsewhere.
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,,,no, semantics....it initially was supossed to be the Z/28, that is common knowledge. It turned into the ZL1.....with much forward oversight to create something bigger and better than ever before to continue the project. The project started, stopped, was resurrected, and took on a whole new heigth and meaning than what was initially intended from it's beginning due to the time delay, determination to complete the product, new engineering and development, and vision to dare to do it..
Yes it was the Z28 originally I understand that. However they ended up building something else to compete (not the true to heritage Z28 recipe Fbod spoke of) so what to call it? ZL1 obviously fit the bill.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:10 PM   #330
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Boys, think New World model, not Old World.....having ones cake and eating it too will only make a new design high tech HP model Camaro fail. The Corvette will eventually face the same lesson, only it will be at the KT boundry in the end, and the Camaro will succumb before that. EPA, GOV, fuel efficiency, new materials, manufacturing processes, and cost passed on to consumers make the accountants and marketing consultants give their final recommendations to streamline over what we the few want. It's going to the moon very soon for sticker.....it's a fanciful thought to have them market a few niche cars at an exorbitant price. Read what they are doing, their thoughts, ambitions, goals, and corporate strategy. This is the twilight of the rennasaince of HP. Base, SS, Z/28.
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:14 PM   #331
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There's no doubt that the power we have today won't last for ever. Lets just hope today's engineers can figure out how to keep the cars enjoyable even if they don't put down 500 horsepower.
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This has happened before...Remember the 70's? New tech will prevail again in the future because guys (and gals) like power in their sporty cars.

Bottom line, live in the now and enjoy!
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If the CEO's request for 15% less weight is realized, then 500+ hp will not be nearly as necessary, to haul the mail, as it is currently...

Less weight with fewer horsies means potentially exciting vehicles using far fewer "oats"...win-win, till the matter of price is known...
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This has happened before...Remember the 70's? New tech will prevail again in the future because guys (and gals) like power in their sporty cars.

Bottom line, live in the now and enjoy!
...and that took how many decades?????.....
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...look, I am a protagonist and antagonist to debates as in it is sport for me, and I try to play devils advocate. We are on the same team, let's be open in conversation and debate the issue from one side to the other. Heck, with no clear cut idea in mind of where we are heading, it's the only thing we can do to bide our time until we have more information. A one sided pat on the back all in agreement forum wouldn't be any fun would it?
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Old 03-15-2013, 10:07 PM   #336
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...look, I am a protagonist and antagonist to debats as in sport for me, and I try to play devils advocate. We are on the same team, let's be open in conversation and debate the issue from one side to the other. Heck, with no clear cut idea in mind of where we are heading, it's the only thing we can do to bide our time until we have more information. A one sided pat on the back all in agreement forum wouldn't be any fun would it?
I want an LS7 Z/28 as bad as most people in the Z forum but I, being a gun owner in the California, have become a realist in the future of our hobby. I know that government and it's regulations, along with the internal regulations of GM, will more than likely prevent another Z/28 along the lines of the first gen being produced ever again. It isn't the 60's where 6 MPG was acceptable, as long as it put down more power than the other guys.
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...and that took how many decades?????.....
Pontiac was still making BB's in 1979 and when did we see a a GNX?
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Old 03-15-2013, 10:18 PM   #338
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I want an LS7 Z/28 as bad as most people in the Z forum but I, being a gun owner in the California, have become a realist in the future of our hobby. I know that government and it's regulations, along with the internal regulations of GM, will more than likely prevent another Z/28 along the lines of the first gen being produced ever again. It isn't the 60's where 6 MPG was acceptable, as long as it put down more power than the other guys.
...as sure as God made apples, any Federal gun control power grab will fail, it will fall down to the States to regulate those laws as it has been....IMHO the LS7 Camaro option will be unveiled next week at NYC. It will not be a Z/28, more along the lines of a special model, like the XM, Dusk, or other limited special production we have seen. Maybe even a 1LE performance package. Yes, it's not the 60's anymore, it's the new millenium 60's, with comfort and technology,....but.....peak oil is upon us, new energy intiatives and sources must be brought to market for our energy independance and our survival. We must get away from an uncertain world that grows more dangerous and is less friendly to our interests. We must find a way to leave behind that special interest need that we spend too much blood and treasure on..
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:33 PM   #339
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,....but.....peak oil is upon us, new energy intiatives and sources must be brought to market for our energy independance and our survival. We must get away from an uncertain world that grows more dangerous and is less friendly to our interests. We must find a way to leave behind that special interest need that we spend too much blood and treasure on..

screw that hippie stuff ill be sure to buy the lopiest highest reving cam on the market when i buy my ls7 camaro.

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I doubt we are at peak oil. The government just wants to force us to use renewable technologies even though they are limited and not as practical as oil.
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screw that hippie stuff ill be sure to buy the lopiest highest reving cam on the market when i buy my ls7 camaro.

Nobody cares about MPG's, warranties, or the planet's general well being here at camaro5.
...well, if the ignoramuses would like to vote, I guess you would be the speaker...just sayin.....
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I doubt we are at peak oil. The government just wants to force us to use renewable technologies even though they are limited and not as practical as oil.
...no, we are struggling to meet our National energy goals, and GM is in the works with the GOV to help further this independance we are striving for. Sidenote, CA shale, with the pipeline to LA/TX refinery region must be brought forth as expeditiously as possible through Congress to buy NA some time to bring cleaner more fuel efficient technology products to market. This fossil fuel energy thing is timebomb, whether or not one wants to admit to it.
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...no, we are struggling to meet our National energy goals, and GM is in the works with the GOV to help further this independance we are striving for. Sidenote, CA shale, with the pipeline to LA/TX refinery region must be brought forth as expeditiously as possible through Congress to buy NA some time to bring cleaner more fuel efficient technology products to market. This fossil fuel energy thing is timebomb, whether or not one wants to admit to it.


i wish e85 was more abundant
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:49 AM   #343
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It would be if people would jump on the bandwagon and run with it. I remember a few years ago, the City had a meeting and a vote was made to not build the proposed Ethanol plant here in Chesapeake. This biggest concern? The towns people didn't want their back yard smelling like french fries!!!! So that says to me that people are dumb, also resistant to change and that the "chance" of a smell put off bringing jobs to the area and cheaper fuel for our cars...dumb...
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..ethanol.....corn....food....not sustainable for long term fuel needs. Short term, the world gets larger, the food needs get bigger, we can't grow our way out of this using soil and crops.....a freakin' National Energy Inititive needs to be dictated by the Executive Office, only problem is there's no one behind the helm to steer it.....
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:40 AM   #345
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To answer the OP's original question, I'd think soon. Then again....that's what I think.
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