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Old 03-27-2013, 10:52 PM   #35
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And what are the Z/28 goodies?

The car is what it's supposed to be. All the goodies are in it..
The goodies are the 200 chassis/suspension modifications, LS7, seats, aero parts, rear end...do i need to go on?

With all those mods why strip it down to save 100lbs? Look what they accomplished with the 1LE. They didnt need to strip this car. Atleast make it where you can add what options you want.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:53 PM   #36
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This!

People need to understand the history of the Z/28. This nameplate lost it's essence 40 years ago and this Camaro Team has put the brand back where it belongs. This car could come with bare floors and they'd sell every one of them.
Good point about the console though. Why did they leave that?
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:55 PM   #37
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perhaps i'm the most ignorant Chevrolet member here, but I don't think GM purposely limited the production of 60s z28s like they are going to do now..
No they didn't but I am sure they have supply limitations.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:56 PM   #38
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Good point about the console though. Why did they leave that?
The black box is under it and the battery cable runs through it. Having said that, they did drop it for the COPO's didn't they?
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:57 PM   #39
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The goodies are the 200 chassis/suspension modifications, LS7, seats, aero parts, rear end...do i need to go on?

With all those mods why strip it down to save 100lbs? Look what they accomplished with the 1LE. They didnt need to strip this car. Atleast make it where you can add what options you want.
You should listen to what Hylton, 2nd Chance, Fraxum,Toolfan66, 14 Pilot are saying. They, as well as I, know the history behind the badge (Z/28) and we know that GM did what was right in honoring the return of a legend. In the 6th gen you will most likely get a watered down version of a true streetable racecar(The Z/28)
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Atleast make it where you can add what options you want.
Then it would not be a true Z/28...

This is the reason, and be glad you have them the ZL1, and 1LE..
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:14 PM   #41
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You should listen to what Hylton, 2nd Chance, Fraxum, 14 Pilot are saying. They, as well as I, now the history behind the badge (Z/28) and we know that GM did what was right in honoring the return of a legend. In the 6th gen you will most likely get a watered down version of a true streetable racecar(The Z/28)
I know the history also! Times have changed! A 100lbs will make all the difference in a 2 ton car? For $65,000 I should be able to buy a car with a radio if I want it.
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:14 PM   #42
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They got it right. The ZL1 is the daily driver that you can take to the track. The Z/28 is the track car you can drive daily.

"...Beyond the monster naturally-aspirated engine, the Z/28 features unique shocks, tires, brakes, suspension tuning, and a comprehensive and strategic lightening that ditches many of the niceties found on "consumer-grade" Camaros in pursuit of maximum performance. Even air conditioning, which most of us now take for granted as standard equipment even in the lowliest econoboxes, is offered only as a stand-alone option in concession to the Z/28's limited dual purpose as a street car. As Camaro chief engineer Al Oppenheiser put it, this is "the fastest road-racing Camaro possible that's still street-legal."..."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz2Onh4IMe8

Also read this, you'll understand afterwards: http://www.gm.com/article.content_pa...echnology.html
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:17 PM   #43
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I know the history also! Times have changed! A 100lbs will make all the difference in a 2 ton car? For $65,000 I should be able to buy a car with a radio if I want it.

It has a radio fwiw... just with one speaker. If you don't like the way it comes you don't gotta buy one, I'm sure they'll have no problem finding people who like 'em just the way they are.
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I know the history also! Times have changed! A 100lbs will make all the difference in a 2 ton car? For $65,000 I should be able to buy a car with a radio if I want it.
So you really thing a Z28 will be 10k more than a ZL1... If I were you I'd pay 55k, and have 80 more horses with speakers and more.
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I know the history also! Times have changed! A 100lbs will make all the difference in a 2 ton car? For $65,000 I should be able to buy a car with a radio if I want it.

You can its called a ZL1..

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Old 03-27-2013, 11:29 PM   #46
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I know the history also! Times have changed! A 100lbs will make all the difference in a 2 ton car? For $65,000 I should be able to buy a car with a radio if I want it.
I don't mean this in a bad way but how old are you?
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The black box is under it and the battery cable runs through it. Having said that, they did drop it for the COPO's didn't they?
Yes and really does the Z28 really need plastic engines covers for each bank? I'd bet we can find even more weight to pare off.
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:37 PM   #48
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I know the history also! Times have changed! A 100lbs will make all the difference in a 2 ton car? For $65,000 I should be able to buy a car with a radio if I want it.
What is special is it lost 100 pounds while gaining heavier performance hardware and a 10 quart instead of 6 oil capacity.

Impressive!
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:38 PM   #49
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They did it right! Someone will always complain, but if you want comfort buy a SS or ZL1 if you want a little track fun and your tunes and air conditioner, buy a 1LE.

It's all good, I just need to figure out how to get the ducats to buy a Z/28...
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:38 PM   #50
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Yes and really does the Z28 really need plastic engines covers for each bank? I'd bet we can find even more weight to pare off.
I am going to ask Al if they considered deleting the seam sealer. That's got to be good for 20 pounds.
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:41 PM   #51
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After reading a few posts - I simply came here to respond to a couple of them because I realized that too many people don't understand what the original intent of the Z/28 really was.......:

go back and read the history of WHY the Z28 was introduced in the first place.

Don't 'guess' and don't try to 'interpret' - because some of us were actually around back then! (I didn't mean that as a shot -- but.......)

Tidbit: the 1967 Z28 didn't have Z28 anywhere on the car - it was simply an option code (RPO) that essentially said: "This is the car we're building to compete in SCCA's Trans Am racing series. All others beware!" It was not meant to be a daily driver - and this new Z/28 is not meant to be a daily driver. it will "separate the men from the boys" so to speak....... If you want comfort -- this is not the car for you.....


We stayed true to the original intent. Want a stereo radio? Go buy a ZL1 or a
1LE or an SS and make mods.

The Z/28 is essentially a race car.

Sorry that some of you don't like that.....but we have to make hard decisions and I stand behind this Z/28 'til the cows come home.

I don't like to be this abrupt - but I'm operating on very little sleep - it's been a long week -- and frankly my patience is running a bit thin with people who don't understand what a Z/28 really is meant to be........


(....oh - and for those of you who are nay-sayers? I wish you could have heard the remarks about the new Z/28 - people at the unveil were blown away.......)
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