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Old 03-27-2013, 10:41 PM   #51
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After reading a few posts - I simply came here to respond to a couple of them because I realized that too many people don't understand what the original intent of the Z/28 really was.......:

go back and read the history of WHY the Z28 was introduced in the first place.

Don't 'guess' and don't try to 'interpret' - because some of us were actually around back then! (I didn't mean that as a shot -- but.......)

Tidbit: the 1967 Z28 didn't have Z28 anywhere on the car - it was simply an option code (RPO) that essentially said: "This is the car we're building to compete in SCCA's Trans Am racing series. All others beware!" It was not meant to be a daily driver - and this new Z/28 is not meant to be a daily driver. it will "separate the men from the boys" so to speak....... If you want comfort -- this is not the car for you.....


We stayed true to the original intent. Want a stereo radio? Go buy a ZL1 or a
1LE or an SS and make mods.

The Z/28 is essentially a race car.

Sorry that some of you don't like that.....but we have to make hard decisions and I stand behind this Z/28 'til the cows come home.

I don't like to be this abrupt - but I'm operating on very little sleep - it's been a long week -- and frankly my patience is running a bit thin with people who don't understand what a Z/28 really is meant to be........


(....oh - and for those of you who are nay-sayers? I wish you could have heard the remarks about the new Z/28 - people at the unveil were blown away.......)
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:41 PM   #52
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They built the Z/28 just as it should be. If you add all the other crap then it's not a true Z/28..

If anything they left to much in it..

You have the ZL1 if you want the comfort and performance..

If you want the badge buy it and slap it on your car, it will be cheaper in the long run and just as fake if GM put in all the luxury crap..
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:43 PM   #53
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IMHO, Chevy just about nailed it. I was first considering building out a 1LE Camaro as a track day car, but getting the track (road course) performance I wanted was getting expensive. I was getting ready to buy a Boss 302S for track days, even though it's not street legal. The Z/28 ticks all the right boxes for me. LS7 motor that revs to 7,000 rpm, with 500hp/500lb/ft. Carbon Ceramic Brembos with serious ducting and ventilation. 19" wheels to save on unsprung weight. Pirelli Trofeo R rubber. Killer suspension. Cooling for both the rear diff and the transmission. For someone with my use scenario -- I don't care about driving it on the street, except for on the way to the track -- this car is almost perfect!

In short, the car I would have built -- but for a lot less than what I would have spent. This will be a car that is seriously quick, but overbuilt enough that you can run the thing all day long without it breaking a sweat.

Sweet...
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No, they didn't miss the ball. They hit the ball with a Howitzer. It fills a gaping hole that the lineup had. It's the most capable out of the box track car in GM's lineup.
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To answer the OP:
"Do you think GM missed the ball my making the z/28 a track only car?"

No. The Z28 is the real thing. There are other performance Camaros with plenty of gingerbread.

While the Z28 is not for me, (I can only afford one car) I am glad Chevy built it. It tells me real gear heads are in charge and will be building us cars that are exciting. I can remember much darker days at GM.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:45 PM   #56
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I am going to ask Al if they considered deleting the seam sealer. That's got to be good for 20 pounds.
If your talking about that crap that's under the carpet? There is a lot of it in my SS.

I pulled the carpet up to put down Dynamat, and I was shocked at how much there was.
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If your talking about that crap that's under the carpet? There is a lot of it in my SS.

I pulled the carpet up to put down Dynamat, and I was shocked at how much there was.
No, I am talking about the caulking that is all over the car. Open the hood and look at the lip where the skin joins the inner skeleton. Every join is caulked to prevent corrosion.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:52 PM   #58
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so how much weight would the A/C only option add? Summers can be brutal, you know. And why bother having rear seats, if racing is its only intention(look @ Boss SECA)?
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When I blow up my LS3, an LS7 will go in it's place.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:53 PM   #60
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Sure it can be driven on the street, but with no amenities. I think they should have made this into a more streetable car. Drop in the ls7 and a few other goodies. The price could be in the 40's then.
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No, I am talking about the caulking that is all over the car. Open the hood and look at the lip where the skin joins the inner skeleton. Every join is caulked to prevent corrosion.

Ahhh. Yep I know what your talking about..
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so how much weight would the A/C only option add? Summers can be brutal, you know. And why bother having rear seats, if racing is its only intention(look @ Boss SECA)?
It's 60 pounds on the older cars.
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so how much weight would the A/C only option add? Summers can be brutal, you know. And why bother having rear seats, if racing is its only intention(look @ Boss SECA)?
I don't think there is a rear seat in the Z/28. Not that there really is one in any of theses cars. LOL!!
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:56 PM   #64
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How much lighter will it be when the alpha platform is used?
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How much lighter will it be when the alpha platform is used?
The current Alpha cars (ATS and new CTS) are coming in under 3500 pounds.
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:10 PM   #66
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so how much weight would the A/C only option add? Summers can be brutal, you know. And why bother having rear seats, if racing is its only intention(look @ Boss SECA)?
Keep in mind that in addition to weight, AC also has a belt driven compressor that eats HP... There's nothing "performance" about AC... I wish you could delete it on the SS/1LE/ZL1 as well. The back seat was lightened, but retained... Probably because the vette is To be Chevy's only 2 seater. Ford doesn't have to worry about that since the Mustang is all they've got.
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I'm blown away that Chevy would actually build this car...If you think they will only be seen at the track and not on the street, I wouldn't bet on it...lol...
I'm glad it is based on the concept of the original z/28...Chevy and Camaro have not thrown in the towel by abandoning the roots and history of this car. I am pleasantly surprised.
I hope it doesn't get nit-picked by the man-purse, creature-comfort fanatics who don't appreciate what Chevy has offered with the Z-28... It could have very easily been a watered-down run of the mill car with a rip-off use of an iconic nameplate, just to pacify the masses...But instead, they did it right...Don't like it, get something else...just leave this one alone..
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:12 PM   #68
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After hearing that, looks like I won't be owning a Z/28 just isn't practical. My Z/28 would have to go to trips to the Grocery store, Target, hell even Texas Roadhouse. Good luck for those guys that have 100* weather with no A/C.

I'll wait until GM releases a Z/28 like the 4th Gen which was a DD.
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I'll wait until GM releases a Z/28 like the 4th Gen which was a DD.
I respect your wishes but I hope GM never goes there again with this car.
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After reading a few posts - I simply came here to respond to a couple of them because I realized that too many people don't understand what the original intent of the Z/28 really was.......:

go back and read the history of WHY the Z28 was introduced in the first place.

Don't 'guess' and don't try to 'interpret' - because some of us were actually around back then! (I didn't mean that as a shot -- but.......)

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We stayed true to the original intent. Want a stereo radio? Go buy a ZL1 or a
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The Z/28 is essentially a race car.

Sorry that some of you don't like that.....but we have to make hard decisions and I stand behind this Z/28 'til the cows come home.

I don't like to be this abrupt - but I'm operating on very little sleep - it's been a long week -- and frankly my patience is running a bit thin with people who don't understand what a Z/28 really is meant to be........


(....oh - and for those of you who are nay-sayers? I wish you could have heard the remarks about the new Z/28 - people at the unveil were blown away.......)
Absolutely!! This one was hit outside of the park. Who listens to the stereo in a car like this anyways?
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Absolutely!! This one was hit outside of the park. Who listens to the stereo in a car like this anyways?
As much as it is Spartan in creature comforts, I find it very ironic that this is the only model that offers a true one-of-a-kind option: A/C or no A/C...lol...What a concept!!...(I hope the idea catches on with other models...)
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I would be willing to part with ABS and power steering before AC... that's just me
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:43 PM   #73
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I think GM already missed the ball by not offering a Z/28 for the 2010-2013 model years.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:45 AM   #74
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I think a lot of people wanted a track oriented LS7 Camaro at 1LE prices and that just couldn't happen.

I'm really surprised that GM went through and put the best engine they have in best most hallowed moniker left on the Camaro wish list. It took real guts on their part to build a Z/28 from a 5th Gen Camaro that didn't at first seem to lend itself well to a track first halo car. But they have managed to do it. And even if it becomes more rare collector car than street or track racer the idea that GM went and built it says a lot about this new GM.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:02 AM   #75
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Z/28 the only ones sold will be put into a garage with the hope that 20 years from now they will be worth something. Corvette shell filled with the owner's preference would be a cheaper/better option for the track.
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