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Old 03-28-2013, 11:31 AM   #120
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If I own a business to make money, I would be more concerned about making as many people as possible happy!! If I only catered to a niche market in my business, I would go bankrupt.....................
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This isn't 1967 anymore. Welcome to 2013.
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THIS!

This Z28 will return soooooo much in marketing for GM it would make them money without being sold. It will be compared to cars costing much much much more and will blow them away. There is now a Camaro for everyone who could want one. Want a Camaro with all the goodies and performance buy the ZL1. Want a track star for a very low price buy a 1LE. Want a boulevard cruiser Camaro the SS fits the bill. Want a sporty inexpensive Camaro buy a V6. Want a true racecar for the street?...May I introduce you to the Z28.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:34 AM   #121
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My only gripe is that it is dressed up and ready to go to a party... but there isn't one to go to.

Late 1960's SCCA stock under 5.0 Liter class was the place for Camaro to compete in sanctioned races against the competition back in the day. "Win on Sunday - Sell on Monday". It was the ONLY reason we were given a Z/28 in the first place. Not exactly unhappy with the new Z but something just seems to be "missing" here.

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Old 03-28-2013, 11:44 AM   #122
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I dont care what your arguments are, some of you guys just want a badge to show off.
My 97 Z28, as much as i love it, does not do the brand justice. This car does.
If its not for you theres a ZL1 or 1LE that fits the need.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:47 AM   #123
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Why not a ZL1? What is it missing for you other than a Z/28 badge?
I though I'd go for a used 45th or 1LE if anything, although I am not a fan of cloth seats.
Quite frankly, I've been waiting for the Z/28 announcement for so long, thinking that it was going to be affordable if GM was staying true to their roots.
After yesterdays announcement, I'm so disgusted by the price that I'm not sure I'll buy a Camaro at all or any other GM product. I'll have to think on that one.
If I wanted something in the Vette to Viper price range, I'd look at those vehicles.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:53 AM   #124
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Question for all the haters.
Whats your ideal Z28?
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:54 AM   #125
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"true to the heritage"


http://www.oldride.com/library/1969_...et_camaro.html

You tell people to "shut up" and that they are "borderline trolling", well you DEFINITELY are. This forum is for people to express their opinions, just because you don't agree, doesn't make anyone else wrong.
I think there are folks that were just blindsided by this. If you were saving and waiting for a Z/28 and then find out it's just a track car it's a bit of a disappointment. There's no point in even discussing the price.

I'm not a fan of Mustangs and could stand to get a new car. I was waiting for this announcement for 2 years. If you're happy with this version of the Z/28, good for you.
If I feel like GM just took the Z/28 badge and threw it in the mud, that's my opinion.
I'm not happy about it at all. There's nothing I can do about it, I just have to find another vehicle that CAN be a daily driver.
The Camaro lineup has NEVER been more diverse in it's history than it is today..... they even offered a BIW for the ala carte folks.

Just what in the Sam Hill does it take to make you happy???

... and yes, the Z/28 is true to it's 1st gen heritage... in performance and price. Actually, in some ways, it's excelled... is that what makes you sad?

Sure they've mixed the RPO and COPO codes around a bit, big deal.

Here's the part I don't get..... you can get the Camaro in ~10 variations, from economical to track king and all in-between..... what more do you want???
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:58 AM   #126
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The Camaro lineup has NEVER been more diverse in it's history than it is today..... they even offered a BIW for the ala carte folks.

Just what in the Sam Hill does it take to make you happy???

... and yes, the Z/28 is true to it's 1st gen heritage... in performance and price. Actually, in some ways, it's excelled... is that what makes you sad?

Sure they've mixed the RPO and COPO codes around a bit, big deal.

Here's the part I don't get..... you can get the Camaro in ~10 variations, from economical to track king and all in-between..... what more do you want???
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:00 PM   #127
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How about a show of hands from the old timers..... who remembers the 1st gen Z/28 as an economical alternative?
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:06 PM   #128
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Why should people be thankful for a car they can't afford? People wanted a Z/28 so they could buy one. You didn't think people wanted a Z/28 so they could just talk about how fast it is? I just don't see how people here need to be attacked for wishing they had a shot in hell of buying a Z/28. Seems elitist to me.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:06 PM   #129
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The Camaro lineup has NEVER been more diverse in it's history than it is today..... they even offered a BIW for the ala carte folks.

Just what in the Sam Hill does it take to make you happy???

... and yes, the Z/28 is true to it's 1st gen heritage... in performance and price. Actually, in some ways, it's excelled... is that what makes you sad?

Sure they've mixed the RPO and COPO codes around a bit, big deal.

Here's the part I don't get..... you can get the Camaro in ~10 variations, from economical to track king and all in-between..... what more do you want???
Check out the options and price of the '69, and you want to try and tell me that the 2014 is "true to it's 1st gen heritage" ? No, it's not.
I was hoping that it would be. I'm not sad, more mad than anything else.
I'd love a Camaro Z/28 that wasn't designed to be a garage queen.
GM has other ideas. I'll just keep looking, maybe the new 'Cuda will look better than some of the renders online.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:15 PM   #130
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Check out the options and price of the '69, and you want to try and tell me that the 2014 is "true to it's 1st gen heritage" ? No, it's not.
I was hoping that it would be. I'm not sad, more mad than anything else.
I'd love a Camaro Z/28 that wasn't designed to be a garage queen.
GM has other ideas. I'll just keep looking, maybe the new 'Cuda will look better than some of the renders online.
Price out a 69 Z with JL8, G80, M22, ZL2 and over the counter X-ram. That was the ultimate performance Z in '69 and guess what? It was more than double the price of a base SS.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:15 PM   #131
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I'd love a Camaro Z/28 that wasn't designed to be a garage queen.
GM has other ideas.
The new Z28 is NOT designed to be a garage queen. Its designed to go out and kick ass on the track all day long. That is the exact opposite of a garage queen.
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Question for all the haters.
Whats your ideal Z28?
GM pretty much delivered the Ideal Z/28. Problem is its going to cost a hell of lot more than alot of people expected. thats the problem. They wanted their cake and to eat it too.

IIRC back in 67,68 and 69 the Z/28 package didnt double the cost of the car. This Z/28 is going to be close to 60K IMO and that I think is where alot of people are angry.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:18 PM   #133
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How about a show of hands from the old timers..... who remembers the 1st gen Z/28 as an economical alternative?
Not an old timer per say, but that's why I started this thread for the one's that had thoughts like yourself.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:20 PM   #134
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The new Z28 is NOT designed to be a garage queen. Its designed to go out and kick ass on the track all day long. That is the exact opposite of a garage queen.
I think everyone knows that, but at the price this car will cost. Majority of them will end up as garage queens. Personally, I think alot of the people that can afford this carm will buy it just to have it in their collection and only a small amount will buy it for its intended purpose.
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Check out the options and price of the '69, and you want to try and tell me that the 2014 is "true to it's 1st gen heritage" ? No, it's not..
Please elaborate

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Old 03-28-2013, 12:32 PM   #136
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A Z28 was and always has been synonymous with being a track car, a signature SCCA car from Chevrolet. What Chevrolet introduced yesterday was exactly that, a factory ready track car.
For the market segment looking for a "true Z28", I believe they will be extremely pleased with the car.
With that said, I know it won't be a car for everyone, and may not be the car the some expected (or have awaited) but again, ...it IS a Z28.
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