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Old 03-28-2013, 10:58 AM   #126
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The Camaro lineup has NEVER been more diverse in it's history than it is today..... they even offered a BIW for the ala carte folks.

Just what in the Sam Hill does it take to make you happy???

... and yes, the Z/28 is true to it's 1st gen heritage... in performance and price. Actually, in some ways, it's excelled... is that what makes you sad?

Sure they've mixed the RPO and COPO codes around a bit, big deal.

Here's the part I don't get..... you can get the Camaro in ~10 variations, from economical to track king and all in-between..... what more do you want???
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:00 AM   #127
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How about a show of hands from the old timers..... who remembers the 1st gen Z/28 as an economical alternative?
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:06 AM   #128
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Why should people be thankful for a car they can't afford? People wanted a Z/28 so they could buy one. You didn't think people wanted a Z/28 so they could just talk about how fast it is? I just don't see how people here need to be attacked for wishing they had a shot in hell of buying a Z/28. Seems elitist to me.
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The Camaro lineup has NEVER been more diverse in it's history than it is today..... they even offered a BIW for the ala carte folks.

Just what in the Sam Hill does it take to make you happy???

... and yes, the Z/28 is true to it's 1st gen heritage... in performance and price. Actually, in some ways, it's excelled... is that what makes you sad?

Sure they've mixed the RPO and COPO codes around a bit, big deal.

Here's the part I don't get..... you can get the Camaro in ~10 variations, from economical to track king and all in-between..... what more do you want???
Check out the options and price of the '69, and you want to try and tell me that the 2014 is "true to it's 1st gen heritage" ? No, it's not.
I was hoping that it would be. I'm not sad, more mad than anything else.
I'd love a Camaro Z/28 that wasn't designed to be a garage queen.
GM has other ideas. I'll just keep looking, maybe the new 'Cuda will look better than some of the renders online.
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Check out the options and price of the '69, and you want to try and tell me that the 2014 is "true to it's 1st gen heritage" ? No, it's not.
I was hoping that it would be. I'm not sad, more mad than anything else.
I'd love a Camaro Z/28 that wasn't designed to be a garage queen.
GM has other ideas. I'll just keep looking, maybe the new 'Cuda will look better than some of the renders online.
Price out a 69 Z with JL8, G80, M22, ZL2 and over the counter X-ram. That was the ultimate performance Z in '69 and guess what? It was more than double the price of a base SS.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:15 AM   #131
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I'd love a Camaro Z/28 that wasn't designed to be a garage queen.
GM has other ideas.
The new Z28 is NOT designed to be a garage queen. Its designed to go out and kick ass on the track all day long. That is the exact opposite of a garage queen.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:17 AM   #132
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Question for all the haters.
Whats your ideal Z28?
GM pretty much delivered the Ideal Z/28. Problem is its going to cost a hell of lot more than alot of people expected. thats the problem. They wanted their cake and to eat it too.

IIRC back in 67,68 and 69 the Z/28 package didnt double the cost of the car. This Z/28 is going to be close to 60K IMO and that I think is where alot of people are angry.
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How about a show of hands from the old timers..... who remembers the 1st gen Z/28 as an economical alternative?
Not an old timer per say, but that's why I started this thread for the one's that had thoughts like yourself.
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The new Z28 is NOT designed to be a garage queen. Its designed to go out and kick ass on the track all day long. That is the exact opposite of a garage queen.
I think everyone knows that, but at the price this car will cost. Majority of them will end up as garage queens. Personally, I think alot of the people that can afford this carm will buy it just to have it in their collection and only a small amount will buy it for its intended purpose.
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Check out the options and price of the '69, and you want to try and tell me that the 2014 is "true to it's 1st gen heritage" ? No, it's not..
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:32 AM   #136
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A Z28 was and always has been synonymous with being a track car, a signature SCCA car from Chevrolet. What Chevrolet introduced yesterday was exactly that, a factory ready track car.
For the market segment looking for a "true Z28", I believe they will be extremely pleased with the car.
With that said, I know it won't be a car for everyone, and may not be the car the some expected (or have awaited) but again, ...it IS a Z28.
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If people are complaining about the estimated price then they do not understand the cost of go fast goodies.

Obviously there is a group here who wish this car was watered down to a price point they can afford but to those people I ask "how different would a car like that be to what Chevrolet is offering now"?
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I think everyone knows that, but at the price this car will cost. Majority of them will end up as garage queens. Personally, I think alot of the people that can afford this carm will buy it just to have it in their collection and only a small amount will buy it for its intended purpose.
I think it depends on how many they make. If people conclude that it has legitimate collector car potential then you're probably right. If they make enough for anyone showing up at a dealer prepared to pay MSRP or a bit less, then you'll see them at the track.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:44 AM   #139
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Please elaborate

I already did.
http://www.oldride.com/library/1969_...et_camaro.html

This was a car that you could drive on the road.
Refer to the options and the PRICE.
To go from stock to Z/28, the price of the car did not increase 50+ percent.

It is what it is. GM apparently has a niche audience that they want to cater to.
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How about a show of hands from the old timers..... who remembers the 1st gen Z/28 as an economical alternative?
The Z-28 was a $450 option on the Camaro in 1969. It's now (roughly) a $30,000 upgraded trim level. I'm not bitching, it's just not for everybody.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:57 AM   #141
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The Z-28 was a $450 option on the Camaro in 1969. It's now (roughly) a $30,000 upgraded trim level. I'm not bitching, it's just not for everybody.

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It's street legal, not a track only car... supposing it will be limited production like a COPO.

Considering the mass flood of Camaro types already circulating, the z/28 fits well as a limited run for $70k+.
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The Z-28 was a $450 option on the Camaro in 1969. It's now (roughly) a $30,000 upgraded trim level. I'm not bitching, it's just not for everybody.
Nope it's not for everyone. It's for collectors to say they have one in their garage. The regulations now a days don't want avg guy to race. So they bump up the price on their race ready cars to keep it at bay. My estimate? 1-5% of those Z-28s produced touch a track. The rest will touch dust in a garage. With a few occasionally joy riding it a little.
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After some time to think and reflect.....I retract my original statement...................Im on board with the new Z28.
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OK so why would they bring another car out just like the others? Say you took a 1LE slapped a LS7 and the brakes on it would still be more than a ZL1.

Again the motor is 15K alone..

And if you did that then people would say this is just stupid. Why would I pay for a for a 1LE with a LS7 in it when I can get a s/c for alot less and be just has fast..

Either way you go people will not be happy.
Ok but that's not my point. My point is that you and Twisty and others are basically saying: "you asked for a Z/28. We gave it to you. It's really fast and it costs a lot of money. Can't afford it? Too bad, get lost."

My position: Chevy guys, they're salt of the earth normal people. And I get it when you say the Z/28 is pure and true to the heritage and all that. I think most people here understand that. But it seems like you can't grasp why GM putting out a car that you basically need to make $500,000 a year to afford would feel like a let down to a lot of people.
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My .02 cents, GM & The Camaro Team did an excellent job with the Z28

Secondly, talk about sworn to secrecy ...................... The Camaro Deciples had to known in advance and kept it G4 Classified.................. 8-)
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Ok but that's not my point. My point is that you and Twisty and others are basically saying: "you asked for a Z/28. We gave it to you. It's really fast and it costs a lot of money. Can't afford it? Too bad, get lost."

My position: Chevy guys, they're salt of the earth normal people. And I get it when you say the Z/28 is pure and true to the heritage and all that. I think most people here understand that. But it seems like you can't grasp why GM putting out a car that you basically need to make $500,000 a year to afford would feel like a let down to a lot of people.
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Ok but that's not my point. My point is that you and Twisty and others are basically saying: "you asked for a Z/28. We gave it to you. It's really fast and it costs a lot of money. Can't afford it? Too bad, get lost."

My position: Chevy guys, they're salt of the earth normal people. And I get it when you say the Z/28 is pure and true to the heritage and all that. I think most people here understand that. But it seems like you can't grasp why GM putting out a car that you basically need to make $500,000 a year to afford would feel like a let down to a lot of people.
Same here. People have been asking, "Where's the Z-28?" since 2010. They unveil it now and 99.9% of the people asking, can't get one. Wuh...wuuuuuhhhhhhh!
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Depending on how you look at it, the original Z-28 RPO was not a $3-400 package, it was much more like $700 added to an otherwise under $2500 car. By the time you got everything that was mandatory on the car it was $3700ish without any RS stuff or deluxe interior..I also typed those prices from memory without looking up the sticker pic I have posted here

That was alot of money when you could buy new cars for $1995 all day long

I'm completely with Hylton and Twisty on this one

Here's a sticker..ever see a 1st Gen Z-28 without posi, 4-speed, power brakes? These prices are added to the base V8 Camaro price also, not a 6 cylinder 3 speed
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