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Old 03-28-2013, 06:35 PM   #239
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I hear you..but a 3800 lbs stripped down version, with a huge 7.0 V8 does not a Z28 make.

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They built the Z/28 just as it should be. If you add all the other crap then it's not a true Z/28..

If anything they left to much in it..

You have the ZL1 if you want the comfort and performance..

If you want the badge buy it and slap it on your car, it will be cheaper in the long run and just as fake if GM put in all the luxury crap..
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:41 PM   #240
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I hear you..but a 3800 lbs stripped down version, with a huge 7.0 V8 does not a Z28 make.
Why?
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:47 PM   #241
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Ok it's GM's decision not ours, a Z/28 is what they decide it will be. They took input from enthusiasts and then decided what was the best way to bring this ICON back and this is what they chose to do.. You can accept it or not. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy one.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:58 PM   #242
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Six figures is not what it used to be.
No kidding. One has to be rich today to live a middle class lifestyle of the 1950s and 1960s. In the San Jose area today a household income of $300,000 per year just barely puts one in the top 5 percent of household incomes in the region.

If one adjusts for inflation, a base 1967 Z/28 retailed for just over $23,000 in 2013 dollars, which is just a bit less expensive than the MSRP of a base 2014 Z/28 is likely to be. Of course, a 2014 Z/28 is a much more sophisticated and superior vehicle than the 1967 Z/28 was.

In 1967 Chevrolet sold 602 Z/28s. It will be interesting to see how many 2014 Z/28s will actually be sold. I guess that it will be more than 602.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:58 PM   #243
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It would be funny if the nearly 600hp car (ZL1) is a more streetable version than the 500hp car.
The Corvette ZR1 is a more "streetable" car than the Z06. At least in base form. Now you can get MR on the Z06 that makes it essentially a ZR1 with the LS7. But when they were both just introduced? The ZR1 was far more comfortable as far as options, insulation and comfort.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:04 PM   #244
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Why?
the whole point of the first gen Z28 was to compete in SCCA Trans-Am Challenge Series. The engine requirements to race in SCCA was limited to 305 cubic inches. IMHO a 427 would belong in a different package. And I think a fat 3800 lbs "stripped" version is silly. just me.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:23 PM   #245
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the whole point of the first gen Z28 was to compete in SCCA Trans-Am Challenge Series. The engine requirements to race in SCCA was limited to 305 cubic inches. IMHO a 427 would belong in a different package.
Since today there is no SCCA Trans-Am series with a 5.0 liter engine displacement limit, why isn't a high revving dry sump small block 427 (LS7) with forged internals a good choice for today's Z/28 package?
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:33 PM   #246
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Since today there is no SCCA Trans-Am series with a 5.0 liter engine displacement limit, why isn't a high revving dry sump small block 427 (LS7) with forged internals a good choice for today's Z/28 package?
Just curious, what road race class would the Z/28 be in these days? Is there even any venue for a buyer to actually race in? and get it wide open?...dunno...just wondering...thanks if anybody knows....
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No. We asked for this. When they released the 1LE people were upset that you could get a 2SS 1LE with options like a sun roof and AC and navigation. They said if it was suppose to be a track car, then it should have been stripped down. Here comes the Z28 that is stripped down and people are upset that it's stripped down.

You have many choices right now with the lineup. If you want a track car with comforts, then get a 1LE.

If you need more horsepower in your track car and still want your comforts, then get a ZL1.

If you are willing to live without them and want a lighter car with less of that stuff, then get a Z28.

Out of all those and other options like the SS and the V6 models there is something for everyone in the lineup.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:05 PM   #248
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the whole point of the first gen Z28 was to compete in SCCA Trans-Am Challenge Series. The engine requirements to race in SCCA was limited to 305 cubic inches. IMHO a 427 would belong in a different package. And I think a fat 3800 lbs "stripped" version is silly. just me.
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Since today there is no SCCA Trans-Am series with a 5.0 liter engine displacement limit, why isn't a high revving dry sump small block 427 (LS7) with forged internals a good choice for today's Z/28 package?
Exactly GoldenBear. These are different times calling for an evolution in car design, yet the car can have the same recipe just updated. A Z28 is coupe designed for the track wether it's 1967 or 2014. Name me one racecar that is exactly like its original design? Dragster, Funnycar, Stockcar, FIA GT, Le Mans, Formula?
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:54 PM   #249
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No kidding. One has to be rich today to live a middle class lifestyle of the 1950s and 1960s. In the San Jose area today a household income of $300,000 per year just barely puts one in the top 5 percent of household incomes in the region.

If one adjusts for inflation, a base 1967 Z/28 retailed for just over $23,000 in 2013 dollars, which is just a bit less expensive than the MSRP of a base 2014 Z/28 is likely to be. Of course, a 2014 Z/28 is a much more sophisticated and superior vehicle than the 1967 Z/28 was.

In 1967 Chevrolet sold 602 Z/28s. It will be interesting to see how many 2014 Z/28s will actually be sold. I guess that it will be more than 602.
Bear, I swear to God I just saw this post. Consider a wander over to the HouZe for my version of what you so well-said, here...
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:55 PM   #250
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And I think a fat 3800 lbs "stripped" version is silly. just me.
EXACTLY!
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:12 PM   #251
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The z28 of the 60s was not priced out of reach of a Camaro v8 buyer of that day...This one will be 20 grand over a base SS...also the z28 then was more street friendly...this one is track strong and not that many non trackers will pop for the extra $$s
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:19 PM   #252
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You could spend more than 2X the price of a base V8 on a 69' Z28. A loaded Z28 was 2cnd in price to only the ZL1 in 1969. Have you ever driven a 69' Z28? That M22 had a very heavy clutch. This Z28 will be easy to drive, however I do agree it will need AC for me.
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