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Old 03-28-2013, 12:20 PM   #601
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:54 PM   #602
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Totally understand where you are coming from. But my feeling is the opposite. When I finally got to drive the ZL1, I could respect it but it didn't make me passionate like my Boss did. This is the Camaro I'd want. It pains me to say this but it's even more raw and a better execution of my ideal than the Boss. But then again, without the Boss would it have happened? In either case this car is one I can't wait to become intimately acquainted with. I'll say it again, way to go GM.
Agree. If I didn't already have my Boss I would seriously consider this... the new Z/28 is a track winner and we haven't even seen the real world #'s yet!
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Been catching up on this thread. Lots of complaints about a lot of little things. Let's be perfectly clear, if you only have one car, this is not the car to have. This car is a weekend warrior, a summer night cruiser and a track car. This car is for the person who already has a daily driver and doesn't give a rats arse about the taillights or lack of a sound system. When they've done the rush hour commute and want to return to the pure pleasure of driving they pull this baby out of the garage and smile a self satisfied smile as they fire it up. If you want to think you have the baddest Camaro out there but can only afford one, get the ZL1, want a daily driver you can track, there's the 1LE. Concerned about looks, buy a big standard V8 model and customize to your hearts content. Just want to own a great looking car, consider the V6. Really GM has everyone finally covered and there's still bitching?!?!
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You really don't understand the purpose of this car, it is a pure performance car, not just another gadget-filled driving appliance.
Some don't think outside the box... they need to on this one.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:02 PM   #603
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I wonder what would happen if Chevy put a square setup on the ZL1. I bet it would make up some time between the Z/28 and it. I know it helps the M3 gain a couple seconds on a track...
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I wonder what would happen if Chevy put a square setup on the ZL1. I bet it would make up some time between the Z/28 and it. I know it helps the M3 gain a couple seconds on a track...
its pretty damn dear square already...... the small difference in size wouldn't be too noticeable.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:20 PM   #605
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Well I have read thru this whole thread and agree with alot of you guys on all levels. For one Im glad the Z/28 is back wasn't expecting it this soon...... kind of surprised its being placed over the ZL-1 but ehh what ever. Over all I like the look somethings will take a little time to get use to but Im sure will grow on most people. The one thing I do know is I am already starting a stash of $$$$ to get those seats for my Zl-1 those are a must in my opinion . Only if I could figure away to afford to have the Z/28 to park next to my ZL-1!
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:39 PM   #606
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its pretty damn dear square already...... the small difference in size wouldn't be too noticeable.
No it's not... 295's in the front would be close to square...
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:24 PM   #607
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For those looking for an auto option, we will be putting RPM 4L80's in these.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:08 PM   #608
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Been catching up on this thread. Lots of complaints about a lot of little things. Let's be perfectly clear, if you only have one car, this is not the car to have. This car is a weekend warrior, a summer night cruiser and a track car. This car is for the person who already has a daily driver and doesn't give a rats arse about the taillights or lack of a sound system. When they've done the rush hour commute and want to return to the pure pleasure of driving they pull this baby out of the garage and smile a self satisfied smile as they fire it up. If you want to think you have the baddest Camaro out there but can only afford one, get the ZL1, want a daily driver you can track, there's the 1LE. Concerned about looks, buy a big standard V8 model and customize to your hearts content. Just want to own a great looking car, consider the V6. Really GM has everyone finally covered and there's still bitching?!?!
You are right. My only WISH is to have the LS7 that's in the Z28, an option to have in an SS along with the 1LE option. Having an option like that would make a lot of people change brands.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:39 PM   #609
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Yesterday i was greatfull enfough to be invited by team camaro to see the reveal.......i was truly surprised when mark said we have something very special to show you........the air smelled like fuel and all you heard was reving then the shock of my life....what pulls out Z/28.....Immediately everyone in the crowd started going wild.....it was truly an amazing event...I still get gosebumps watching the reveal on my laptop but being there in person made it even better.............i will post my own thread by tonight but for now here are some pics.
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love the seats, love the front end with the splitter but those tail lights are hideous. Nothing like the 10-13 when you're pulling up behind it and chin drops kids get excited when they see it. I would pass that up--"...oh a Honda shaped like a Camaro!" *snooze*

everything else on the car is a step in the right direction. Seems like Chevy is going with this similar tail lamp design on most of their lineup. Gosh they look awful, this really made me love my car even more. lol
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:52 PM   #611
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At least the ZL1 will now be much more affordable now that tons of folks will trading one in for a Z/28 !!!!!!!
I don't quite agree. The ZL1 is a Hot Rod, the Z28 is a road race car. Dont expect the ZL1 to go down in value , they are two different animals. A ZL can be an easy car in the city, the 28 will make you pay dearly for daily driving.
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:50 PM   #612
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Well F**K me! That's insane. I wonder what the Z28 will do to the next ZL1??
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[QUOTE=carlos@redline-motorsport;6349718]For those looking for an auto option, we will be putting RPM 4L80's in This Dee from new Orleans , this is why I waited . I mention something like this to Howard . Z28 nightmares will be going to redline Motorsport . I'll be in touch!!!! New Orleans will never be the same after
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Congrats on the new Camaro...everything looks like they had the enthusiast in mind. The true comparison will be at a track near you....www.hookedondriving.com. Lots of Boss 302's to play with. Can't wait to see a few of the new Camaro's on track.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:15 PM   #615
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A simple mod like tinting the middle part or darker chrome can change dramatically the rear :
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Wow nicely done GM.. but i'm keeping my 2013 ZL1!! All i got to say is I always admired camaros from 67-71 and I'm so glad I got on board as I had a feeling that 2013 might be the final year before GM makes a drastic revision to the body style. In my opinion the 2013 resembled the perfect resurrection of the 69 Camaro from front to back.

I'm just not digging the 1990'ish looking rear tail lamp shape on the 2014..its like a bad mash up between a 69 camaro and a 1990's camaro. However; I do like the refreshed front fascia is okay but it doesn't really pop for me.. (No HIDs))???

well that's all i've got to say about it...


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Old 03-28-2013, 07:33 PM   #617
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A simple mod like tinting the middle part or darker chrome can change dramatically the rear :
is that entire lower part on the back Carbon fiber? It's hard to tell from the pics
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:40 PM   #618
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Totally understand where you are coming from. But my feeling is the opposite. When I finally got to drive the ZL1, I could respect it but it didn't make me passionate like my Boss did. This is the Camaro I'd want. It pains me to say this but it's even more raw and a better execution of my ideal than the Boss. But then again, without the Boss would it have happened? In either case this car is one I can't wait to become intimately acquainted with. I'll say it again, way to go GM.
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Been catching up on this thread. Lots of complaints about a lot of little things. Let's be perfectly clear, if you only have one car, this is not the car to have. This car is a weekend warrior, a summer night cruiser and a track car. This car is for the person who already has a daily driver and doesn't give a rats arse about the taillights or lack of a sound system. When they've done the rush hour commute and want to return to the pure pleasure of driving they pull this baby out of the garage and smile a self satisfied smile as they fire it up. If you want to think you have the baddest Camaro out there but can only afford one, get the ZL1, want a daily driver you can track, there's the 1LE. Concerned about looks, buy a big standard V8 model and customize to your hearts content. Just want to own a great looking car, consider the V6. Really GM has everyone finally covered and there's still bitching?!?!
See it's that easy, even the Mustang guy gets it!

BTW, Really great posts!
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is that entire lower part on the back Carbon fiber? It's hard to tell from the pics
No it's not but I'm sure some aftermarket Carbon parts can be made to this.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:53 PM   #620
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I think they are moving the camaro toward a corvette style lineup.
SS=Base
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Z28=Z06
ZL1=ZR1

I think in 2015 after the excitement of the Z28 has faded they will reveal an LS9 ZL1. This will put the ZL1 back as the king camaro and give sales another bump. The ZL1 will also increase in price though. There will probably be a Z28 convertible at some point though so I'm not sure how that will fit in.
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Been catching up on this thread. Lots of complaints about a lot of little things. Let's be perfectly clear, if you only have one car, this is not the car to have. This car is a weekend warrior, a summer night cruiser and a track car. This car is for the person who already has a daily driver and doesn't give a rats arse about the taillights or lack of a sound system. When they've done the rush hour commute and want to return to the pure pleasure of driving they pull this baby out of the garage and smile a self satisfied smile as they fire it up. If you want to think you have the baddest Camaro out there but can only afford one, get the ZL1, want a daily driver you can track, there's the 1LE. Concerned about looks, buy a big standard V8 model and customize to your hearts content. Just want to own a great looking car, consider the V6. Really GM has everyone finally covered and there's still bitching?!?!
Wow, it took a Mustang owner to put things into perspective, C'mom guys. If we really considered ourselves Camaro Fans, we'd love this car for what it is, a Camaro. I don't own a ZL1. I didn't just purchase a 1-LE car just last week. To be honest, I drive a 95 Z28 as my DD. I wish I could buy something newer, but being a single dad makes having a car payment a little tough, so, hence the 95. With that said, I love the 10-13 car, and after the reveal yesterday, I too love the 2014 car, especially the Z28. Yes, it isn't perfect, but neither are the 10-13 cars. I'll DD the 95 for hopefully another year or two, then the real question will be asked, a 98-02 SS to keep me from having a car payment, a 10-13 5TH Gen, or wait 3-4 years to pick up a used 2014 car? Either way, I will be pleased, since I will be driving a Camaro. I will attempt to own a Camarotill my dying day! Way to go GM, AWESOME JOB AND AWESOME CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think they are moving the camaro toward a corvette style lineup.
SS=Base
1LE=Grand Sport
Z28=Z06
ZL1=ZR1

I think in 2015 after the excitement of the Z28 has faded they will reveal an LS9 ZL1. This will put the ZL1 back as the king camaro and give sales another bump. The ZL1 will also increase in price though. There will probably be a Z28 convertible at some point though so I'm not sure how that will fit in.
I think you are wrong on all accounts. Have you been reading and watching what GM has been saying about the Z/28 and why they brought it back?

I also think pigs will fly when they drop the LS9 in a camaro. But then again I could be wrong on all accounts too.
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I think they are moving the camaro toward a corvette style lineup.
SS=Base
1LE=Grand Sport
Z28=Z06
ZL1=ZR1

I think in 2015 after the excitement of the Z28 has faded they will reveal an LS9 ZL1. This will put the ZL1 back as the king camaro and give sales another bump. The ZL1 will also increase in price though. There will probably be a Z28 convertible at some point though so I'm not sure how that will fit in.
I believe your line up makes sense. It was discussed in amongst the Z/28 threads for years. Depending upon your "perspective" the ZL1 is King. There will never be a Z28 vert.
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