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Old 03-28-2013, 09:25 PM   #18
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I have my priorities straight. And that's to make money now spend it later.
...and that's EXACTLY what we the ZEE-lievers have already done...
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:27 PM   #19
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...and that's EXACTLY what we the ZEE-lievers have already done...
Old fart! lmfao Jk. Enjoy it man. It's def a great car.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:28 PM   #20
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I always thought they could drop any optional engine into whatever model and still, each model would be unique...But inter-changeable engine options are just not the way they efficiently build cars these days...The model dictates the engine, and that's the only option...
...Nothing says you can't do it yourself whenever you want...
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:59 PM   #21
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GM gave the hardcore Z/28 guys EXACTLY what they wanted.
Too bad most of them won't be able to afford it.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:03 PM   #22
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I'm not sure what you are getting it. Those that wan't it WILL get it.....
It's not a question of wanting it. It's a function of affording it.
Just because somebody wants something doesn't mean they have the means to attain it.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:28 PM   #23
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It's not like the old days I believe like in the 60's when you can choose what engine you want in you're car. For them to come out with the car now with that motor and all those enhancements was for a purpose - to establish dominance in that niche and to set the tone. Ford now has a tall order to come up with something that will match the Z/28.

For them to just put in the 427 in an SS with the available 1LE option was not the direction they wanted to go. And it's not just the Ceramic brakes, it's the other 200 changes they made to make it the Z/28.
I don't think Ford has to do anything. They have so many versions out there, it's ridiculous. Then they have a long history just as long as Chevrolet. We are the ones playing catch up. We just got a Supercharged model with a factory mind you. GM doesn't offer any packages to increase the HP unlike Ford. GM is headed in the right direction so I'll continue to stay along for the ride...
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Speaking of Ford...and their Spring '14 release...does anyone figure they're burnin' the midnite oil figgerin' out what to do to match the "Heavy Chevy"?
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Build your own poor boys Z/28 for the cost of a 1LE plus $20,000. for the LS7
You don't have to jump to a LS7 right away. Put a nice cam in the LS3 and the power output should be close to a stock LS7. If something goes wrong and you blow up the LS3, then you can spent the money for a LS7.
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Speaking of Ford...and their Spring '14 release...does anyone figure they're burnin' the midnite oil figgerin' out what to do to match the "Heavy Chevy"?
I'd like to see the minutes of THAT meeting
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You don't have to jump to a LS7 right away. Put a nice cam in the LS3 and the power output should be close to a stock LS7. If something goes wrong and you blow up the LS3, then you can spent the money for a LS7.
Heads, cam, headers... eeeyup. A LOT cheaper than that exotic motor
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:10 AM   #27
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I personally would swap this over my zl1..........the zl1 is not raunchy enough for me........I like road noise
Who likes road noise?

Easy enough. Take out the sound deadener.

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Old 03-29-2013, 02:15 AM   #28
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It's all fun and games until those LS7 exhaust valves start failing...
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Just because YOU can't afford it doesn't mean that EVERYONE can't afford it. GM will sell every Z28 they can make. Like has been said before, your logic is great for people that only want the Z28 badge and not a car that's the most track capable car GM has ever offered to the public.

The amount of crying you have been doing over this car is insane.
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Do you now think most of the ls7 engines will make it into production cars? (before you thought about 2000 2014 Z/28s)? A few weeks ago the last one went into the last z06. About 30 a day are hand built. That gives GM the capacity to have about 5 to 6 thousand for the 2014 MY.
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Here is how I look at your question.

An LS7 in a 1LE would maybe be equal to a ZL1...........maybe. The 1LE is 150 pounds lighter (supercharger) and would be 80 HP down from the LSA. How does that car run with a ZL1? What you would have is just another version of the same performance. And simply putting the LS7 in the 1LE would give you a $50,000 car. So it would be the "lesser" of the two cars.

To give the Z28 a reason to be, beyond simply a badge, GM had go above the ZL1 in track performance. And to do that you get the LS7, the best brakes GM knows how to do and enough weight reduction to make up for the 80 hp.

Now in a straight line, a ZL1 might actually run faster than a Z28. We'll have to wait and see. To give the Z28 it's "reason for being" it needs to be lighter so it can turn in the corners better, accelerate out harder. That's the 300 pounds. And no one should assume that that was simply throwing parts out (like we've discussed over the past few years) It took real, honest to goodness engineering and testing and validation and I can assure that is NOT free or cheap. And to give it another advantage you add the best brakes known to passenger cardom. Combined with the LS7 you now have a NA engine with low mass and chassis and brakes to get this car to nearly Z06 levels.

I'll be very curious to see the tests.

Also keep in mind that since the ZL1 already beats the dead Boss and GT500 around the track, there is no real competition for the Z28. It stands alone as what it is, and how it goes about it.

I know everyone would have loved an LS7 in the 1LE. We had a thread on that well over a year ago. It just wouldn't have justified the car or the nameplate relative to the ZL1.

For the sake of fairness so does the LS3 equipped 1LE!!
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:08 AM   #31
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Because once you put a premium priced engine like the LS7 in a Camaro with suspension, brakes and hardware to match the performance it's already at the ZL1 price point.

It's either you have a LS3 like in 1LE for under $40k or you go with the LS7 and quickly jump to the ZL1 range. For economic reasons you can't have both.
I know this has been beaten to death in the Z28 forums for as long as the 5th Gen Camaro has been out.
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Because GM didn't think that was enough to honor the Z/28 badge.
i see it as a slap in the face of the original z28. a 427 wasn't an option for a z28. what option code got that engine . . . . oh yeah that pesky zL1. i think the zL1 should've gotten the LS7 seeing as how the ZL1 was the only car that came with a 427 and kept everything else how it is and the z28 should've gotten the LSA engine since a 302 is out of the question for the modern day enthusiasts mentality of no replacement for discplacement.
Also showing these numbers from factory the z28 was not the fastest car in the lineup, pretty much only faster than the ss350 in 67 and most likely faster than the 69 ss350 but i couldn't find a factory time slip for it :(
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(Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 6.9 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.85 sec @ 101mph
(SS350) 350/295: 1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds @ 90 mph
(SS396) 396/325bhp: 0-60 in 6.0 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.5 sec @ 99mph
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(Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 7.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.12 sec @ 94.8mph
(SS396) 396/375bhp: 0-60 in 6.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.7 sec @ 98.7mph
(COPO 9561) 427/425bhp: 0-60 in 5.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec @ 102mph
(COPO 9560) 427/430bhp: 0-60 in 5.3 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.16 sec @ 110 mph
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:34 AM   #33
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The size of the engine has nothing to do with ZL1 or Z28 or SS.

Welcome to 2013/14 where GM is stomping cars around the track left and right. Instead of settling for two of the fastest cars around a track, GM decided to slyly grin, and release a street-able car that will best the non-street legal Boss' out of Ford.

While people on here in-fight about whats better the ZL1 or the Z28. Who really cares? If you want a Z28 and you have a ZL1, obviously money isn't an issue so get one. If you have an SS and wanted the Z28 and it's out of your price range, go get a 1LE.

Chevrolet currently has three of the fastest cars around a track that you can buy for less than $60K (guessing on the Z28 price here). What else could we, as camaro owners want?

Sure that pesky '13 GT500 will go faster in a straight line, but let them have that. Our cars are more reliable, inspire confidence in corners, and are by far the better vehicle to own.

EDIT: Forgot, our cars that cost less than $60K are beating cars that cost 2-5x more. It's a good time to support General Motors.
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The size of the engine has nothing to do with ZL1 or Z28 or SS.

Welcome to 2013/14 where GM is stomping cars around the track left and right. Instead of settling for two of the fastest cars around a track, GM decided to slyly grin, and release a street-able car that will best the non-street legal Boss' out of Ford.

While people on here in-fight about whats better the ZL1 or the Z28. Who really cares? If you want a Z28 and you have a ZL1, obviously money isn't an issue so get one. If you have an SS and wanted the Z28 and it's out of your price range, go get a 1LE.

Chevrolet currently has three of the fastest cars around a track that you can buy for less than $60K (guessing on the Z28 price here). What else could we, as camaro owners want?

Sure that pesky '13 GT500 will go faster in a straight line, but let them have that. Our cars are more reliable, inspire confidence in corners, and are by far the better vehicle to own.

EDIT: Forgot, our cars that cost less than $60K are beating cars that cost 2-5x more. It's a good time to support General Motors.
I only pointed out times because I've seen on this site and other sites people saying "oh the top dog is coming back out" and I've been meaning to post up no the z28 wasn't the top dog, the SS396 was faster. And the engine option was for the people saying GM is paying heritage to the past. I never agreed with the fact the current ZL1 didn't come with a 427 like in 69 and I think I spoke with one of the big dealerships back east that customize 5th gens about this right when it was released. Just my .02 though

My route is build a car to play with the big boys for 1/2 of what they are spending
But if I were to buy a 5th gen it would either be a 13 1LE or 13ZL1 since i don't like the 14's at all :(
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