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Old 03-29-2013, 02:08 AM   #1
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Getting Project G5.R to 1.5g's

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Hey guys, I will be doing a suspension install on my car and thought Iíd create an interactive thread that I can get feedback, input, and help from the Camaro5 community. The first goal for Project G5.R is to see how far we can push a Camaro in the suspension/ handling department. My dream would be to get an invitation to the 2013 Optima Challenge. The next Optima event qualifier thatís reasonably distant from me will be September 11-15 Silver State Classic Challenge Ė Ely, NV. I hope to have the car finished before then, to give us some time for fine-tuning.
The second goal is to build it with a level of attention to detail worthy of a spot at SEMA. Just donít let the level of detail confuse you into thinking this is just another pretty face as this is the secondary goal.
I will be documenting this in a DIY format as a reference of what it will take to reach this goal.
Here is a rough outline of the plan of attack:

Suspension: Pfadt Racing Stage 5 Kit
Weight Reduction: Drop 400 lbs
Wheels 19 X 11 square setup
Tires Ė 315ís
Brakes: Undecided

For the suspension components, I am using Pfadt Racing parts to reach our goal.

Here are some pictures of how my front suspension has come along so far:














I chose Pfadt for a few reasons:

Made in America
Extensive R&D that goes into the components
Tested and proven
Weight Reduction. Pfadt helps us here by making their parts lightweight, without compromising strength, but adding to it. The coilovers alone drop 34lbs.
The managed to reach over 1.3gís on stock rubber.
And lastly, the pride and attention to detail thatís goes into each component makes each of the pieces an engineering work of art! They are so nice you almost want two of each. One for the car and a second to display as ART! LOL

For wheels I am planning on running a square setup. The company Iím working with is designing a new wheel that weighs only 17 lbs. hopefully, they will be available by midsummer.

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Old 03-29-2013, 03:55 AM   #2
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Absolute work of art. Your patience and persistence is just amazing. Can't wait to see what the final weight is going to be on this thing!
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:32 AM   #3
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Great choice. This has been an amazing project to watch come together and I can think of no better partner for the suspension than Pfadt.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:54 AM   #4
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Wow! I wonder how long it would take for the new Z/28 brakes to be available. Wouldn't that be worth taking a look at? Maybe the guys at GM Performance would be able to hook you up???
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:37 AM   #5
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Wow! I wonder how long it would take for the new Z/28 brakes to be available. Wouldn't that be worth taking a look at? Maybe the guys at GM Performance would be able to hook you up???
The z28 brakes look like the 6 piston brembos already used on the V and vettes

The carbon ceramics not sure on
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:34 AM   #6
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pfadt, is the way to go. love their stuff . nathan ur gonna have a work of art when u get done. U have dont lots for the site . keep it up.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:02 AM   #8
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weeee! another Moreno thread, cant beat that. the Moreno Bros garage and pfadt...america!
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:48 PM   #9
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Good choice with Pfadt. Nothing but good stuff to say about them. I'll be watching this for sure.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:55 PM   #10
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Absolute work of art. Your patience and persistence is just amazing. Can't wait to see what the final weight is going to be on this thing!
Thanks Doc, I can always count on you for encouraging words!
I will be attacking G5.R in two stages.
~Stage one will be to put everything back together and working all the mechanical bugs out.
~Stage two will be pulling it back apart and going more radical. Think......... removing factory shock tower and replacing all of it with chrome moly tubing and filling all the spaces between the tubes with carbon fiber inserts.

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Great choice. This has been an amazing project to watch come together and I can think of no better partner for the suspension than Pfadt.
I couldn't agree more!

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Wow! I wonder how long it would take for the new Z/28 brakes to be available. Wouldn't that be worth taking a look at? Maybe the guys at GM Performance would be able to hook you up???
Joe, that new Z/28 is crazy off the hook! Looks like I will be changing plans as to the carbon fiber body pieces I am recreating. I'm still going to go forward with those but I will be replacing them with Z2/8 pieces as soon as they are available. One of my pet-peeves with our cars is the fat butt they have. The Z2/8 rear diffuser gives the appearance of a smaller rear. I love it.

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The z28 brakes look like the 6 piston brembos already used on the V and vettes

I going to see if I can get the info and will post what I find out.

The carbon ceramics not sure on
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pfadt, is the way to go. love their stuff . nathan ur gonna have a work of art when u get done. U have done lots for the site . keep it up.
Thanks Dekan!

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weeee! another Moreno thread, cant beat that. the Moreno Bros garage and pfadt...america!
SPCBA, you can say that again, my two brothers have been helping me tremendously as we shoot for our targeted deadline.

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Good choice with Pfadt. Nothing but good stuff to say about them. I'll be watching this for sure.
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Quick update: Received my Hammerhead today.............

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HUH?...........HEY............WAIT..........WHAT?. ..............WHAT THE !!!!!...............................HELL????

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Old 03-30-2013, 08:13 PM   #11
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:24 PM   #12
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Exactly!







JK......... I have to send props to Frank at DSS. I explained to him the attention to detail I am paying to each component of the project. He suggested he'd send me the housing shell so that I can detail them to fit the theme. They actually hand picked the casting they sent me to make sure I got the cleanest piece. I will be removing all the casting except the Hammerhead logo. I am having the cover powder-coated in texture black and replacing the bolts with ARP 12 point stainless. This will match my oil pan which was given the same treatment. I'm thinking I will paint the housing in the same BMW Frozen gray as I did the engine and transmission. After I'm done, it will go back to DSS for final assembly.

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Old 03-31-2013, 12:25 AM   #13
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thats one sweet build Nathan you are an inspiration to us all
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:00 AM   #14
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Thanks Fast! I'm glad I've been able to contribute to such a great community here.

Details on Cradle:


In keeping with the goal of dropping 400 lbs, I replaced the factory cradle with Extreme Innovations chrome moly tubular cradle. The original is 63 lbs. The standard Extreme cradle is only 34.5 lbs. By the way, this cradle has been used in to all out track cars, one of which Pfadt Racing was involved with.


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My cradle is even lighter as I will be making custom brackets to mount the radiator, therefore I had no need to have the rails go passed the cross member, so I had Craig cut them short and weld in an end caps.

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Here you can see the cradle on the jig before he shortens the rails.


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Here you can see where the rails have been shortened.



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The level of workmanship is over the top. All the welds are this nice!


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My decision to incorporate Pfadt suspension components has motivated me to bring every other part of the build to next level. As their pieces are engineering ART pieces.



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Stay tuned for more updates tomorrow. I will be updating the thread daily at least for the next couple of weeks till I get caught up with were I am in the project.

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Old 03-31-2013, 09:37 AM   #15
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Simply incredible...

I hope I get to see this G5.R in person some day.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:07 AM   #16
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Wow, that looks absolutely amazing Nathan!
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:17 PM   #17
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:26 PM   #18
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:01 AM   #19
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I hope I get to see this G5.R in person some day.
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In my garage.

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Spindles:

It was a hell of a PITA to detach the control arm from the spindle. I took it to my friend's shop from church. We first tried pressing it out but it was a no go.


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Finally after several failed attempts, we decided to give it heat and it finally popped.


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Since I am taking the complete suspension apart, I figured I'd detail everything! The spindle on the right is in progress with a lot more to do. The red circle on the left upright highlights two more humps that I will also be grinding off. The one that has a bolt hole is to mount the back plate for the stock brakes, but since Iím replacing them, there's no need for the extra ounces of aluminum, LOL... So I'm grinding it off.



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Here you can see a side by side comparison. The three humps were removed as they are just part of the casting process.



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Once I had them completely sanded. I polished them to a mirror finish. (Reference the one on the left) Next thing I did was to tape off the areas where bolts are going through. I didn't want to add paint to those areas and deal with the paint getting jacked up when I'd tighten the bolts. I sanded blasted them again to create paint adherence. (Reference the one on the right)


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Next came a light coat of etching primer.

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And finally ......... the finished product. I painted in a cast aluminum finish.
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You're getting really, really good at this. I'll be surprised after all this is done if you don't get a job offer from some high-end custom company. I can see some rich guy who wants a killer show car hiring you, or you may even open your own custom shop. Your work is starting to rival the best of anything I've seen anywhere. That "after" spindle should be in a glass showcase in a museum lol.
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Amazing detail man. On a side note, how you liking that maxjax lift. I've read some decent reviews about them. I don't have high ceilings either.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:51 PM   #22
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You're getting really, really good at this. I'll be surprised after all this is done if you don't get a job offer from some high-end custom company. I can see some rich guy who wants a killer show car hiring you, or you may even open your own custom shop. Your work is starting to rival the best of anything I've seen anywhere. That "after" spindle should be in a glass showcase in a museum lol.
Thanks Doc, I really appreciate that!

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Amazing detail man. On a side note, how you liking that maxjax lift. I've read some decent reviews about them. I don't have high ceilings either.
I am loving my Max Jax. It's the best tool you can have.

I received my Race Ramps pit stop setup last Thursday. I will be using this one for servicing the car at tracking events.


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Here is a 48 second clip on it. It's pretty awesome!






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Old 04-02-2013, 07:59 AM   #23
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I love my race ramps (just for getting my low front end into my trailer). This kit would be very nice.
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Those are nice but dam you'd need a seperate trailer just for the ramps.
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