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Old 03-30-2013, 09:56 PM   #51
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Agreed, the Z28 was supposed to be between the 1LE and ZL1,

Now it's a trailer queen.
My sentiments as well. Make the Carbon Ceramic brakes an option like on the C6 Z06 to keep the price down and I'm sure Chevy would sell quite a few of them, even if we had to tick the box for A/C and put another 1 (or 3) speakers in it ourselves. I'd be all over it.

But if it comes in more expensive than the ZL1 and has brakes that are more expensive to replace than tires, the vast majority of people who will buy them are collectors who can afford to buy a car to simply add to their collection and rarely (if ever) drive it, or those truly "hard-core" track enthusiasts who probably trailer their cars to track events anyway.

.....and that's a damn shame
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:51 AM   #52
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Apples n oranges.

A high revving SB belongs in the Z/28 and that's what both the 1Gen and 5Gen have. The Z/28 is/was a roadracer. Yet performed great in the 1/4 mile as well. Those stats you put up don't tell the whole story as in rear gearing. You need to explore a little deeper.
ah i see some stuff . . .
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I like what GM did with the new "z/28" or "z28" or "trailer queen". I pray GM understands and will fill the 1LE --- (154hp)--- ZL1 performance gap by splitting the difference with a LS7 ~505hp option. Maybe call it the 1LE Stage II...

I'd like to see a 1LE Option with an LS7...

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0904gmhtp_427_ls7_2010_chevy_camaro_ss/





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So would I...but a Gen-6 (-300lb vs. current 1LE) LT1-powered version will be the answer for us very patient folks...
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:22 PM   #55
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All great points BUT no pricing available yet. So those who want one should be getting on their dealers' lists...NOW.

Maybe we should think of this as a street-legal COPO...and we know what happened, initially, to those prices...don't we?

BTW, I'm "on the list"...
I believe their will be plenty of z/28 to go around to whom so ever can afford 1. I'll play the wait and see game
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:29 PM   #56
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I believe their will be plenty of z/28 to go around to whom so ever can afford 1. I'll play the wait and see game
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I think a 1LE LS7 would have been a wonderful street machine.........probably more streetable than the zl1 (no heat issues)......The trouble with that is the target market......zl1 targets the gt500.........coming out with ANOTHER HP camaro that would be slower in all dressed form than the zl1 makes no sense......as Scott said, the zl1 was actually the z28 but things got complicated..........people are really arguing over a badge.........want a HP street machine?........get a zl1
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Stirring the nest,

for $60K we need this as the engine code:

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So would I...but a Gen-6 (-300lb vs. current 1LE) LT1-powered version will be the answer for us very patient folks...
thank you for reminding us, the LT1 is coming once the Corvette test-bed is satisfied.

Maybe 3400lb LT1 Camaros will be rumbling for 2015: ~450hp/tq

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thank you for reminding us, the LT1 is coming once the Corvette test-bed is satisfied.

Maybe 3650lb LT1 Camaros will be rumbling for 2016 MY: ~450hp/tq

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thank you for reminding us, the LT1 is coming once the Corvette test-bed is satisfied.

Maybe 3400lb LT1 Camaros will be rumbling for 2015: ~450hp/tq

Gm is experimenting with a 6 cylinder twin turbo for the c7 zr1 . Supposoly debuting at the 2014 auto show in Los Angeles . So who knows what to expect in the generation 6 camaro . Lt1's mayb the last of a dieing breed
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Gm would not invest millions ans millions in an engine that doesnt stay for at least 10years...The Camaro SS 2016 will have the LT1.
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Gm is experimenting with a 6 cylinder twin turbo for the c7 zr1 . Supposoly debuting at the 2014 auto show in Los Angeles . So who knows what to expect in the generation 6 camaro . Lt1's mayb the last of a dieing breed
V6? I don't think so for a ZR1. Unless you had some huge displacement, 420 was pretty awesome in the TT 3.6L GM just announced. So there won't be any 6 cyclinder with any turbos or superchargers that will rival the LT1 let alone be enough for a ZR1 to go up against the Fiat.
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Gm would not invest millions ans millions in an engine that doesnt stay for at least 10years...The Camaro SS 2016 will have the LT1.
I believe you're right in this. THough the LT1 "might" be used for the 6th gen Z/28 as it produces the same amount of torque as an LS7 under 4000 rpms. I may wait to see what a 6th gen looks like before I pull the trigger. Idk. I was hoping we could get a non track packed car with around 500HP in the 5th Gen. I know Im wishing on it and GM wont make one. Hopefully this 6th Gen will look as good as ours now.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe GM has to do a full emissions, safety, crash certification process for every engine/car combo they produce. Which is seriously time-consuming and expensive. It's not like the old days where you could order the combo you wanted and they could build it (wish it was like that still). Dropping an LS7 into a 1LE just doesn't make economic sense when you consider they're already at the end of the 5th gen run and are gearing up for the 6th gen.

It works to make a new model like the Z/28 which sets the wheels-in-motion (no pun intended) for this category of car in the 6th gen. That puts in place the development team, the department, the budget and all the necessary corporate mechanisms to have this car become dominant in racing. Production cars that are dominant in racing sell street cars.

I find it HIGHLY interesting that Dodge has already declared they're working on a direct competitor to the Z/28. You KNOW that Ford isn't just sitting there watching all this and doing nothing. Do I detect the first breezes of a new manufacturer's championship series in the near future? I don't think the timing of all this is a coincidence. We are in very interesting times for auto enthusiasts.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe GM has to do a full emissions, safety, crash certification process for every engine/car combo they produce. Which is seriously time-consuming and expensive. It's not like the old days where you could order the combo you wanted and they could build it (wish it was like that still). Dropping an LS7 into a 1LE just doesn't make economic sense when you consider they're already at the end of the 5th gen run and are gearing up for the 6th gen.

It works to make a new model like the Z/28 which sets the wheels-in-motion (no pun intended) for this category of car in the 6th gen. That puts in place the development team, the department, the budget and all the necessary corporate mechanisms to have this car become dominant in racing. Production cars that are dominant in racing sell street cars.

I find it HIGHLY interesting that Dodge has already declared they're working on a direct competitor to the Z/28. You KNOW that Ford isn't just sitting there watching all this and doing nothing. Do I detect the first breezes of a new manufacturer's championship series in the near future? I don't think the timing of all this is a coincidence. We are in very interesting times for auto enthusiasts.
Im definately with you on this. I believe we'll see a Z/28 that is produced for the masses unlike this one thats currently coming out.

As for Dodge, I believe we'll be seeing the Barricuda evolve into their track car as it was used in the Trans Am racing circuit in 1970. They know the Challenger is WAYYYY too big for the track.
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Gm would not invest millions ans millions in an engine that doesnt stay for at least 10years...The Camaro SS 2016 will have the LT1.
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Im definately with you on this. I believe we'll see a Z/28 that is produced for the masses unlike this one thats currently coming out.

As for Dodge, I believe we'll be seeing the Barricuda evolve into their track car as it was used in the Trans Am racing circuit in 1970. They know the Challenger is WAYYYY too big for the track.
The Z/28 is not a car for the masses and trying to make it one will give us a car like the 4th gen Z28.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe GM has to do a full emissions, safety, crash certification process for every engine/car combo they produce. Which is seriously time-consuming and expensive. It's not like the old days where you could order the combo you wanted and they could build it (wish it was like that still). Dropping an LS7 into a 1LE just doesn't make economic sense when you consider they're already at the end of the 5th gen run and are gearing up for the 6th gen.

It works to make a new model like the Z/28 which sets the wheels-in-motion (no pun intended) for this category of car in the 6th gen. That puts in place the development team, the department, the budget and all the necessary corporate mechanisms to have this car become dominant in racing. Production cars that are dominant in racing sell street cars.

I find it HIGHLY interesting that Dodge has already declared they're working on a direct competitor to the Z/28. You KNOW that Ford isn't just sitting there watching all this and doing nothing. Do I detect the first breezes of a new manufacturer's championship series in the near future? I don't think the timing of all this is a coincidence. We are in very interesting times for auto enthusiasts.
would be sooooo fricken sweet to have a new manufacturers championship series. people my age will be talking about this as our heyday for cars the way my pops talks about the 60s and early 70s
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Really getting sick of this whole entitlement people are having over a badge. I want a Z28! I want an LS7! So you want a badge designed originally for the track, and a racing motor, but don't want to pay race car price for it.

Please. Go get the Z28 badge off a broken 4th gen in a yard, LT headers, cam, intake, exhaust, etc for your LS3 and go drive your Z28.

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The Z/28 is not a car for the masses and trying to make it one will give us a car like the 4th gen Z28.
They built it every gen didn't they? If they continue? It WILL end up as a 4th gen. was. They're going to build a 6th gen Z. Just watch and it'll be priced for more ppl to buy. There was 602 sold in 67. I haven't checked production numbers in 68 & 69, but take a look at the 2nd gen and tell me they didn't mass produce it.
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That is what I am afraid of the 6th becoming z28 and not a z/28. They might make both who knows
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yup...I'd bet the 6th gen z28 is what our SS is. GM has said the 'SS' nomenclature is the sedan now.
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yup...I'd bet the 6th gen z28 is what our SS is. GM has said the 'SS' nomenclature is the sedan now.
I believe we'll see the SS on next gens camaro as well. Here's the interesting thing. They're trademarking the chevelle. They trademarked the Z/28. You saw what happened. The chevelle will be brought back. Perhaps to "replace" the camaro? The barracuda is going to replace the challenger. When exactly that takes place on the camaro? No one knows but GM. But the chevelle if brought back will not be anything like we're hoping for probably. They're going to capitalize on the name. And they'll probably capitalize on the 6th gen as well. Rather than have 5th gen owners turn their noses up at the next gen, they'll make an attempt at besting the camaro for another 3-5 yrs and pop the chevelle name into the picture so everyone can oooh and ahhh about it.

SS and Z/28 next gen though unless they go like they did in late 2nd gen and lose it. Which they may! We'll see
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gm wanted to stick true to the z28 history and give us the most expensive Camaro ever! this Camaro is in no way like the first z28.....sure someone turned it into a track car and raced it, but this isn't exactly that..... that wasn't done in house. and all the z28's of later years were crap....especially my favorite(sarcasm)....the late 2nd gens and early 3rd gens! so really, there is nothing in this car that shows me what rolled off the line in 69....... its going to be overpriced.....in a new category of cars because the price has taken it out of the American sports car category and thrown it into the European car category...... this is why it will fail. it will be a hit amongst Camaro enthusiast....but not the rest of the world....Europeans will laugh.
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