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Old 04-03-2013, 08:41 PM   #26
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its a 454 tho..
I'm OK with the extra 100lbs, I like the brand specific GM LSX 454 over ERL or RHS aluminum copy cats.
- I'm aiming for 650 crank with a little massage work to the crate version.

"So, just what kind of real world strength are we talking about, then? With GM's aluminum LS7 and C5R blocks having been known to withstand quadruple-digit power numbers in certain applications, the LSX looks to better these values substantially. Explains Bates, "Cast iron is inherently stronger than aluminum, so we're expecting to see some really solid numbers before we see any type of critical failures. We truly don't know the limit of this block right now, as there is a whole lot more to it than just our mathematics and computer simulations. But I can say that when we worked out the engineering on this block, everything was done with an eye toward withstanding 2,000-2,500 hp.""

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Old 04-03-2013, 08:46 PM   #27
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I like this thread.

Someone (local) commented to me when I started going on about this car..."But why the hell are they charging more for less?"....I couldn't do much else but ...because I had just detailed every race-derived addition/change to the car that I was aware of.
It's development, research and materials charges.

There are a significant amount of different materials involved:
- thinner rear window = non production samples
- carbon hood - one off for short run productions
- carbon splitter - one off for short run productions
- carbon rockers - one off for short run productions
- carbon brakes

Then there's the hand-built LS7.

Each time a mfg. goes to a higher end production run, labor costs jump for R&D, build and skill
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Old 04-03-2013, 08:54 PM   #28
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You don't need to sell me! I'm well aware!

...though....I don't think the spitter and rockers are made of carbon fiber...
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You don't need to sell me! I'm well aware!

...though....I don't think the spitter and rockers are made of carbon fiber...
I'll give on that, it must be the fancy suede interior
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:24 PM   #30
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Hello all! New member here. I've been reading camaro5 for a couple years and love the content. What are the thoughts on having a Z/28 as a daily driver? I understand (and totally agree with) the "old school" idea that less is better. But do ya'll think it would be possible or just a bit ridiculous to have a DD Z/28? Would the pain in the butt be worth it...
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:27 PM   #31
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I had a 1969 base V8 Camaro as my daily driver. Compared to it, the new Z/28 is a luxury car.

So, ya, if you don't need luxury in your driver, it is possible. But people are too spoiled now days to except that. Personally I wouldn't do it because of the cost of brakes and tires. It will take money to buy it and money to drive it.
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Hello all! New member here. I've been reading camaro5 for a couple years and love the content. What are the thoughts on having a Z/28 as a daily driver? I understand (and totally agree with) the "old school" idea that less is better. But do ya'll think it would be possible or just a bit ridiculous to have a DD Z/28? Would the pain in the butt be worth it...
'Hard to live with' muscle cars as a DD is like trying to live on adrenaline 24/7... very taxing on the soul.



With that said,
the Z/28 is a super nice edition to any garage, but mine - I prefer the understated with comforts and lots of GO FAST pedal.

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I had a 1969 base V8 Camaro as my daily driver. Compared to it, the new Z/28 is a luxury car.

So, ya, if you don't need luxury in your driver, it is possible. But people are too spoiled now days to except that. Personally I wouldn't do it because of the cost of brakes and tires. It will take money to buy it and money to drive it.
On top of that the new Z/28 will be a limited production unit... I tend to not like these 'kind' of cars because modifying them negatively impacts value on what is already an instant collectors item.
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ah but modifying it is part of why I would love to have one! lol. if I am furtonate enough to get one I'll drive it until it quits or I quit.
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:18 AM   #35
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I see a muscle car as a car that is supposed to be modified, maybe collect and garage sit the first few in production but these cars are made to be modified. It'd be a shame to buy and garage sit one of the new Z/28's. It's meant to be put on the track and raced not sat in a garage and collected.

Imagine if everybody who bought one put it in the garage and collected it what would be the damn point
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I think we all assumed that as fact.

I think the issue is this,
its a $60,000 super base camaro.. :/
That's kind of embarrassing to put in print.
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The past week has made me realize how society has ruined the automobile. Few consider the parts that actually make the car perform as features. Fully loaded means navigation, heated and cooled seats, quadruple climate control, 24 way power memory seats, and now a vacuumÖ. basically bloated mobile homes on wheels. Every year the manufacturers must come out with more options to make people feel like they are getting a good perceived value and one step ahead of the Joneses.

Understandably people have a hard time hearing ďthe most expensive Camaro has no A/C no speakers no carpetĒ. These arenít the things people have been lead to believe are important. Just like the most expensive Camaro isnít the one with the most horsepower or the one that is fastest in the quarter mile. So nobody understands why it is so expensive because if it isnít horsepower or a seat massager what is it?

Maybe the Z/28 and other cars like it will start shifting the expectations and open up a new world for those willing to listen. This is a purpose built car. It is not meant for the masses. I am in a way shocked GM is building it but also very impressed at the same time.

For those crying for these creature comfort options, put the shoe on the other foot for a minute and realize why some donít want to lug those around the track lap after lap. Now maybe you will understand? Weight kills performance. Some people donít care about a radio when they are driving a car like this, they are purists in that regard.

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Old 04-06-2013, 05:10 AM   #38
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The LS7 is also around twice the price of the LS3 so I expect the price to be up there...



Super Base huh...



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The past week has made me realize how society has ruined the automobile. Few consider the parts that actually make the car perform as features. Fully loaded means navigation, heated and cooled seats, quadruple climate control, 24 way power memory seats, and now a vacuumÖ. basically bloated mobile homes on wheels. Every year the manufacturers must come out with more options to make people feel like they are getting a good perceived value and one step ahead of the Joneses.

Understandably people have a hard time hearing ďthe most expensive Camaro has no A/C no speakers no carpetĒ. These arenít the things people have been lead to believe are important. Just like the most expensive Camaro isnít the one with the most horsepower or the one that is fastest in the quarter mile. So nobody understands why it is so expensive because if it isnít horsepower or a seat massager what is it?

Maybe the Z/28 and other cars like it will start shifting the expectations and open up a new world for those willing to listen. This is a purpose built car. It is not meant for the masses. I am in a way shocked GM is building it but also very impressed at the same time.

For those crying for these creature comfort options, put the shoe on the other foot for a minute and realize why some donít want to lug those around the track lap after lap. Now maybe you will understand? Weight kills performance. Some people donít care about a radio when they are driving a car like this, they are purists in that regard.
Tell that to the Nissan GTR guys.. 10 second quarters stock while the car does everything but make you breakfast in bed..
not to mention it is pretty damn fast around the curves as well.

Fast with luxury can be done and yes I am one of those that doesn't want a 1969 z/28 any more I want those items and I want the speed as well.
and we all know it can be done and can be done well.

a 1LE 2SS could have easily been done with this engine and many many more would have been happier.
the super limited stripped car with a heavy price tag isnt going to make it a car that sees the track.
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Tell that to the Nissan GTR guys.. 10 second quarters stock while the car does everything but make you breakfast in bed..
not to mention it is pretty damn fast around the curves as well.

Fast with luxury can be done and yes I am one of those that doesn't want a 1969 z/28 any more I want those items and I want the speed as well.
and we all know it can be done and can be done well.

a 1LE 2SS could have easily been done with this engine and many many more would have been happier.
the super limited stripped car with a heavy price tag isnt going to make it a car that sees the track.
You just described why I never lusted after the Datsun. Taken em out several times and once even on the track and the car was impressive. But left me cold most of the time. To each his own I guess but offer me a stripped light weight GT-R and I'd be considering it... Yes, even for more money. But right now, the polar opposite of the car, the Lotus Exige rocks my boat.
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i bet it is closer to 70K.... Look at the price differential from the base corvette to the Carbon ZO6, almost as much as the ZR1.. The brakes alone are way pricey
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Tell that to the Nissan GTR guys.. 10 second quarters stock while the car does everything but make you breakfast in bed..
not to mention it is pretty damn fast around the curves as well.

Fast with luxury can be done and yes I am one of those that doesn't want a 1969 z/28 any more I want those items and I want the speed as well.
and we all know it can be done and can be done well.

a 1LE 2SS could have easily been done with this engine and many many more would have been happier.
the super limited stripped car with a heavy price tag isnt going to make it a car that sees the track.
But the GTR is really ugly.
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Tell that to the Nissan GTR guys.. 10 second quarters stock while the car does everything but make you breakfast in bed..
not to mention it is pretty damn fast around the curves as well.

Fast with luxury can be done and yes I am one of those that doesn't want a 1969 z/28 any more I want those items and I want the speed as well.
and we all know it can be done and can be done well.

a 1LE 2SS could have easily been done with this engine and many many more would have been happier.
the super limited stripped car with a heavy price tag isnt going to make it a car that sees the track.
A LS7 or LSX option for the SS and a Appearance Package is what Chevy should have done. Not the poor excuse for a Z/28 that they produced......
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Tell that to the Nissan GTR guys.. 10 second quarters stock while the car does everything but make you breakfast in bed..
not to mention it is pretty damn fast around the curves as well.

Fast with luxury can be done and yes I am one of those that doesn't want a 1969 z/28 any more I want those items and I want the speed as well.
and we all know it can be done and can be done well.

a 1LE 2SS could have easily been done with this engine and many many more would have been happier.
the super limited stripped car with a heavy price tag isnt going to make it a car that sees the track.
Don't forget the $40k price difference between a GTR and Z/28.
You can buy a Z/28 and 1LE for the price of a GTR

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A LS7 or LSX option for the SS and a Appearance Package is what Chevy should have done. Not the poor excuse for a Z/28 that they produced......
Poor excuse for a Z/28?

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Personal opinion.... I hate the C7 but you clearly love it for some reason. Despite the Viper headlights, GT-R side profile etc....
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Don't forget the $40k price difference between a GTR and Z/28.
You can buy a Z/28 and 1LE for the price of a GTR



Poor excuse for a Z/28?

Go troll somewhere else.
We don't know the z/28 price tag though...
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Just how stripped down is the 2014 Z/28? Let's break it down.
It has (or most likely will- if not confirmed), in no particular order...


-power steering (variable assist electric)
-power brakes
-power mirrors
-ABS
-power windows (express up/down)
-power locks
-power trunk
-keyless entry w/panic alarm
-tilt steering
-telescoping steering
-cruise control
-4 seats
-6 airbags
-2 cupholders
-12V power outlet
-stability/traction control (if you're silly enough to keep them on in this car)
-radio with CD/MP3 player, AM/FM, XM, auto-volume, 6-page preset menu, 3-band EQ, 10-minute on-after-key-off feature, anti-theft, and one decent speaker
-steering wheel mounted controls
-configurable lock/unlock and horn/light settings
-automatic headlights
-2 trip odometers
-compass
-exterior temp gauge
-average mileage/speed displays
-message center
-delayed courtesy light
-heater/defroster
-rear defroster
-air conditioning (if you want it)
-cabin air filter
-huge trunk (albeit with a comically small opening)
-glove box (lockable)
-door panel storage
-center arm rest/storage
-console front storage tray
-alarm
-auto-dimming rear view mirror
-variable intermittent wipers
-windshield washer
-OnStar with lock-out protection, turn-by-turn, theft tracking, and emergency response
-a full GM warranty
-and a partridge in a pear tree

There may or may not be a couple things I forgot.


Some of you sissies need to quit whining, this thing does everything but wash the dishes for you.
Just my not-quite-humble opinion.


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So they keep things like power steering, cruise control, power locks and windows, carpet, rear defroster and call it a pure breed track car, true to heritage Z/28, only for real men yada yada.

Comical

But hey they dont need 8 speakers (they even took the speaker wires out!), the gauge pack and lets keep a/c optional, but cruise control and automatic headlights? No way we have to have those! Makes no sense.
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