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Old 04-10-2013, 12:30 PM   #26
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Z06 vette will be quicker and faster. don't lie to yourself. Do the math. look at horsepower per pound and gear ratios.
I think it'll be close... we'll see in due time. The promising factor in the new Z/28 is its entire suspension & braking components are made & engineered strictly for the track, add the Trofeos as a huge plus... therefore it'll turn some outrageous times in the hands of a well-qualified & experienced (read as professional) driver.
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My opinion to the following cars compared to the Z/28, obviously we don't know what track it is "3 seconds faster" than the ZL1 at BUT. This is what I think.

ZL1 - Z/28 should be easily faster, if its slower than this anywhere it fails ( in my opinion ), other than a drag race maybe

GT-R - actually a faster car than it is given credit for, BUT being a track based car the Z/28 should be fairly faster

911 GT3 RS - hard to say, based on the times I know of and find on this car its actually not as fast as many think. I don't live on the track so I don't see daily runs of this car BUT to my own knowledge I'd say the Z/28 will actually be faster

458 - Similar to the GT3 RS, I don't think the 458 is as fast as it should be, on most tracks the Aventador is several seconds faster and the Aventador is a Lamborghini... Generally Lamborghini's like speed not corners. (Aventador is an exception I think). That is another discussion I think though, so I'd say the Z/28 should have that in the bag as well, especially being so track oriented. However Ferrari owners don't really track their cars daily.... they prefer to let it garage sit... sadly...

Z06/Z07 - This actually I think will be the hardest competition I'd say it'd be VERY hard for the Z/28 to out do the Z06/Z07 on a track. The Z06/Z06 and even ZR1 are not given a proper amount of credit for their track capabilities. The Z06 out of these cars weighs the least, has the best torque figures, Best weight distribution the GT3RS and 458 are back heavy and the GT-R and ZL1 are front heavy, I'd say out of the 5 this would be the hardest for the Z/28 to beat.
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What about without the Z07 package
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I recently purchased new ZL-1 fenderliners to go with my ZL-1 front bumper conversion. The ZL-1 fenderliners are clearly marked Z/28 molded in with the part number and such
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I recently purchased new ZL-1 fenderliners to go with my ZL-1 front bumper conversion. The ZL-1 fenderliners are clearly marked Z/28 molded in with the part number and such
Just like I stated earlier in post #9... the ZL1 was supposed to be the Z/28 and if that was such then this upcoming Z/28 would likely be a ZL1. Nomenclature & semantics re-written by Chevy...
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One thing I don't understand is how or why GM purists could call the ZL1 a ZL1? If they wanted to stay pure with the Z28, why take the purity away from the ZL1?

Idk I think they did an awesome job, but it's kind of head scratching...
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This is exactly what I am expecting. No surprise at all. It is going to be a GT3RS killer. Those of you moaning and crying about possible price points of the Z/28 would be well served to price the competition.

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[QUOTE5. Recent prototypes apparently are lapping test tracks as quick as, well, stuff you’d never imagine it could keep up with. No Bothan spies died to bring you this information, but one source had us swear to secrecy about the names of cars that Z/28 prototypes are beating on test tracks. With its 300-pound weight advantage over the ZL1, single-minded chassis tune, and incredibly sticky rubber, the Z/28 is a monster we can’t wait to experience for ourselves.


Best info in this article!!!

Let the speculation begin!!!!

My top five secret cars that the Z/28 is faster than:

5. Camaro ZL1
4. Nissan GTR
3. Ferrari 458 Italia
2. Porsche 911 GT3RS
1. Corvette Z06 w Z07
I don't see the Z/28 touching a Z07. All guesswork aside, I cannot wait to see what cars this Z/28 is going to disappoint.
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One thing I don't understand is how or why GM purists could call the ZL1 a ZL1? If they wanted to stay pure with the Z28, why take the purity away from the ZL1?

Idk I think they did an awesome job, but it's kind of head scratching...
I'm with you. It doesn't make sense but they can't change it now.
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I saw somewhere about a week ago that the Z/28 will be higher than the zl1,so im guessing a starting figure around $60
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:17 PM   #38
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One thing I don't understand is how or why GM purists could call the ZL1 a ZL1? If they wanted to stay pure with the Z28, why take the purity away from the ZL1?
In 1969 the original ZL1 was not a Camaro trim option but rather the highest horsepower factory engine option available from Chevrolet.

People often seem not to remember or realize that the original ZL1 was a factory engine option designed for Can-Am racing that was included as part of the 1969 9560 COPO Camaro package and that the ZL1 was also available as an engine option in the 1969 Corvette. Today the LSA is to Camaro engines as the ZL1 was to Camaro engines in 1969. Therefore, it is appropriate that the Camaro with the LSA, the highest horsepower factory engine available today, is named the ZL1.
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If the Z/28 is faster than a Z07 Z06, this car will be a bigger engineering marvel than the GT-R.

I don't think it would be close though. There's just no way it can be quicker than a Z07.
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I don't see the Z/28 touching a Z07. All guesswork aside, I cannot wait to see what cars this Z/28 is going to disappoint.
There were posts on this site where the ZL1 was timed on the Nurburgring race track in Germany, I recall it put quite a few cars to shame, here is a partial list, ther were manr more cars slower, if the Z/28 is 3 seconds quicker it will put a number of super cars to shame.

Who's good at searcing this site can you find those posts?

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Production, street-legal vehicles
Length Time Vehicle Driver Date Notes
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 6:48 Radical SR8 LM
Michael Vergers 19 August 2009 Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tires. Radical Sportscars[5][6][7]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 6:55 Radical SR8
Michael Vergers 28 September 2005 Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tires. Radical Sportscars[8] Timed by Sport Auto [9][10][11]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:11.57 Gumpert Apollo Sport Florian Gruber 13 August 2009 OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires. Sport auto (Germany) (Article)

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:12:13 Dodge Viper ACR (2010) Dominik Farnbacher 14 September 2011 SRT conducted test. Video and manufacturer confirmed. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup R compound track DOT competition tires. TTAC article.
Chrysler press release [8] [9]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:14.64 Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package
Akira Iida
31 August 2011 Lexus conducted test. Video confirmed. Stock LFA with "Nürburgring Package". OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE070 street tires. Additional Roll Cage was equipped. [10][11]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:14.89 Donkervoort D8 RS
Michael Düchting 2006 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18.1 Donkervoort D8 RS
Michael Düchting 24 October 2004 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.63 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2012)
Jim Mero 9 June 2011 General Motors conducted test,[12] base specification car with optional super-slick track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure).[13]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:22.1 Dodge Viper ACR (2009) Tom Coronel
18 August 2008 Chrysler and Motor Trend conducted test.[14]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:22.68 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 (2012)
Jim Mero 23 June 2011 General Motors conducted test,[15] base specification car with optional super-slick track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure) and Z07 package
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24 Porsche 911 GT2 RS
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto (11/2010)[16]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.22 Nissan GT-R (2011) Toshio Suzuki
1 October 2010 Nissan conducted test.[17] Semi-wet conditions. Video confirmed. Best Motoring (12/2010).[18]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.3 Maserati MC12
Marc Basseng
August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.44 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng
August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:25.7 Ferrari Enzo
Marc Basseng
August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:26.4 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2009)
Jim Mero 27 June 2008 General Motors conducted test,[19] base specification car with stock tires and non-stock safety equipment, video confirmed.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:26.70 Nissan GT-R (2009) Toshio Suzuki
23 April 2009 Nissan Motors conducted test with optional tires. Video confirmed. Best Motoring (08/2009).[20]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:27.82 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport
Marc Basseng
September 2007 Pagani conducted test,[21][22] semi-wet conditions[citation needed]

7:28.0 Porsche Carrera GT
Walter Röhrl
2 July 2004 Porsche conducted test.(07/04) [22]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:28.71 Porsche Carrera GT
Marc Basseng
August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test.

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:29.03 Nissan GT-R (2009) Toshio Suzuki
17 April 2008 Nissan Motors conducted test,.[23][24][25] The test used a stock GT-R with stock tires. Video confirmed.
7:32.0 Porsche 911 GT2 (2008) Walter Röhrl
2007 Porsche conducted test,[26] R compound tires used.[citation needed]

20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:32.92 Ferrari 458 Italia
Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:33 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 997MkII
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto (04/2010), PCCB [27]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:33.6 Koenigsegg CCX
Marc Basseng
August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:34 Koenigsegg CCR
Horst von Saurma
17 October 2005 Sport Auto (03/2006)[28]

7:34 Porsche 911 GT2
September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[29] stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:34 Nissan GT-R (2011) Horst von Saurma
October 2010 Sport Auto (11/2010),.[30]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:35 Ruf Rt 12
Sport Auto (02/2008)[31]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:37.9 991 Porsche 911 Carrera S
Timo Kluck 28 August 2012 Official Porsche video,[32] PDK transmission used.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:38 Lexus LFA
Horst von Saurma
September 2010 Sport Auto conducted test,[33] Bridgestone Potenza S001 tires used.
7:38 Porsche 911 Turbo
September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[29] stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:38 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1
Horst von Saurma
October 2009 Sport Auto conducted test,[34] Michelin Pilot Sport ZP run-flat tires used.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:38 Nissan GT-R
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto (07/2009),[35] Dunlop SP Sport 600 DSST run flat tires used.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:38 Ferrari 458 Italia
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto (08/2010), Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires used.
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:38.85 Lexus LFA
Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars supercomparo (LFA vs 458 vs SLS AMG vs GT-R vs LP570-4 vs Weismann GT) test conducted on the long 20.8 km configuration of Nurburgring (11/2010)
7:39 Porsche 911 Turbo (2010) Porsche Conducted Test [36] Stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:39 Ferrari 430 Scuderia
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto (07/2008)[37]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:40 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
Giorgio Sanna Lamborghini Autobild (01/2007)

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
Klaus Ludwig AutoBild (07/2004)[citation needed]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:40 Porsche 911 GT3 997MkII
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto (06/2009)[38]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:40 Mercedes SLS AMG
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto (2010)[39]

7:40.6 Ford GT
Markus Draper Octane Magazine[citation needed]

20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:40.76 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera
Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)

20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:41.23 Porsche 911 Turbo S
Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:41.27 Camaro ZL1 (2012) GM test driver Aaron Link October 2011 GM conducted test (10/2011)
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:41.50 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
Sascha Bert August 2009 Auto Bild Sportscars (08/2009)

7:42 Porsche 911 GT3
Walter Röhrl Automobil (05/2006) Sport Auto (05/2006)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:42 Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV
Horst von Saurma
Sport Auto (01/2010?) [40]

7:42.99 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
Jan Magnussen
2005 General Motors,[41][42] Motor Trend confirmed
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:43.65 Nissan GT-R
Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)

7:43 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
'Motor' magazine[citation needed]
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This Z/28 would have to seriously rip turns to make that happen. If it did, that would be a miraculous time to achieve. And I would certainly bow to the awesomeness. Making it one of the fastest cars on Gods green Earth.

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Jim Mero 23 June 2011 General Motors conducted test,[15] base specification car with optional super-slick track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure) and Z07 package


20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:41.27 Camaro ZL1 (2012) GM test driver Aaron Link October 2011 GM conducted test (10/2011)
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There were posts on this site where the ZL1 was timed on the Nurburgring race track in Germany, I recall it put quite a few cars to shame, here is a partial list, ther were manr more cars slower, if the Z/28 is 3 seconds quicker it will put a number of super cars to shame.
I for 1 am assuming the track they are referring to will be much smaller than the Ring, if the Z/28 is only 3 seconds faster a lap on the Ring than the ZL1 I will be HIGHLY disappointed with the cars performance.

EDIT: and here is the link for the Ring lap times, as well as Laguna Seca & VIR
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html

Reason I throw in the other 2 is I think the Z/28 will have a much harder time keeping up w/ super cars like the Vette's and GT-R's on a larger track where they can really get up to that top speed. Where on something like VIR and Laguna Seca not having a high end speed doesn't hurt you.
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It should be obvious that the Z/28 has been in the works for a LONG time, that is the only way you can explain that the 2010 camaro shop manual lists the 7.0L.
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The track that the Z/28 performed 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 was GM's test track in Milford.

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The track that the Z/28 performed 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 was GM's test track in Milford.

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That makes it hard to guess as well... Milford is a GM owned proving ground so its not like 458's and GT-R's have been out there. However the ZR1 was good there and it's been good most everywhere else so that might be some good news. a medium track like this is more of what I was expecting not something massive like the Ring
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That makes it hard to guess as well... Milford is a GM owned proving ground so its not like 458's and GT-R's have been out there. However the ZR1 was good there and it's been good most everywhere else so that might be some good news. a medium track like this is more of what I was expecting not something massive like the Ring
Not true my friend a 458 HAS been to the Proving Grounds remeber this:







I would bet money that the 458 in that video was taken around that track a few times after the famous words where uttered "I wonder how fast this thing really is". besides where do you think they go when the benchmark GM cars against the competition.
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Not true my friend a 458 HAS been to the Proving Grounds remeber this:







I would bet money that the 458 in that video was taken around that track a few times after the famous words where uttered "I wonder how fast this thing really is". besides where do you think they go when the benchmark GM cars against the competition.
Okay so we know it's been there for a commercial but do we have any laptimes of Milford? I have searched and I couldn't dig up a list Without knowing that it still doesn't help us much

And like I said before the 458 is actually fairly slower than most people think, its not even my main concern as a comparison car
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I'd take a Ferrari 458 anytime anyday... but I'm dreamin... for mere mortals with a good paying job/career, a Z/28 is just fine & dandy.
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I'd take a Ferrari 458 anytime anyday... but I'm dreamin... for mere mortals with a good paying job/career, a Z/28 is just fine & dandy.
45th + 302+ Z/28 money= used slightly older 458?
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