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Old 06-29-2009, 10:54 PM   #101
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:58 PM   #102
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well if they are gonna make a z28 why not make it lighter they should do everything to make it lighter then the SS

So, you expect them to add components to make the car handle better/make more power/run faster (conjecture at this point) and make the car lighter? Well, I guess they can certainly do that, but I doubt you would like the price if they did.
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The Z28 will be the heaviest Camaro ever.

Over 4000lbs.

Disclosed by a GM source a while back, and seems logical.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:40 AM   #105
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:03 AM   #106
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:03 PM   #107
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Not true, The prototype has already been built, tested and vetted. No Vert Z28 has been confirmed to exist.
i wasnt talking about a 5th gen i was talking about EVER. i cant remember what yar that was though
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:05 PM   #108
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The Z28 will be the heaviest Camaro ever.

Over 4000lbs.

Disclosed by a GM source a while back, and seems logical.
do you know what the Z28 is all about???
that makes NO sence.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:49 PM   #109
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do you know what the Z28 is all about???
that makes NO sence.
The Z/28 is about kicking ass and taking names!
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:15 AM   #110
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The Z/28 is about kicking ass and taking names!

but really z28s are lighter, better suspension, better for road courses and have a smaller/higher reving engine.
SS=Straigh Line Beast
Z28=Road Course beast
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:57 AM   #111
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Only one 1st Gen convertible z28 was rumored to be built.

There are thousands of 3rd & 4th gen convertible Z28s.
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i wasnt talking about a 5th gen i was talking about EVER. i cant remember what yar that was though
And you are incorrect. There are thousands of 3rd and 4th gen Convertible Z28s.
For instance 1,990 were built in 1998 alone:

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The following are build counts for the 1998 model year Camaro covering the total plant build at Ste. Therese assembly for retail and fleet orders.
A total of 48,490 Camaros were built for for the United States.

Camaro Z28 Convertible:

10U White - 283
11U Pewter - 10
13U Silver - 271
28U Navy - 144
31U Green - 63
41U Black - 383
63U Gold - 72
79U Teal - 63
81U Red - 416
88U B. Purple - 14
96U Ceyenne - 71

10T White conv. top - 212
41T Black conv. top - 1,113
56T Neutral conv. top - 465
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but really z28s are lighter, better suspension, better for road courses and have a smaller/higher reving engine.
SS=Straigh Line Beast
Z28=Road Course beast
hitorically you are correct, But, as this one has been designed, it will most likely be the heaviest ever...
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:26 AM   #113
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And you are incorrect. There are thousands of 3rd and 4th gen Convertible Z28s.
For instance 1,990 were built in 1998 alone:
ya your correct
haha idk i guess i had a brain fart i knew that...just didnt think about it
oh well
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:37 AM   #114
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You sort of know what you are talking about. It was the first gen camaro's that only one z/28 convertible was ever produced. They had to pass the idea by the big wigs to build the z/28 model and he was a huge convertible fan. So they built one z/28 convertible to butter him up and get the cars built.
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:40 AM   #115
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I think everyone knew that the new Z28 is going to be nearly identicle to Bumblebee from transformers....
Bumblebee's new look was inspired by a quick peek at the Z28 design but it's FAR from nearly identical.
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hitorically you are correct, But, as this one has been designed, it will most likely be the heaviest ever...
I'm just picturing this conversation at GM:

Employee 1: "OK so the Camaro trumps most competitors at straight line speeds, but handling could use some work and it is really overweight"

Employee 2: "yeah, and those new CAFE regulations are going to require some work to meet"

Employee 1: "And you know the first generation Z28 had a smaller, higher-strung engine, and an emphasis on handling and track worthiness"

Employee 2: "So clearly, given that we need to work on anything that isn't related to going fast in a straight line, have tougher fuel economy regulations, are criticized for being overweight, and we have a certain heritage to consider, the clear solution is to make a Z28 that is lighter, more efficient, and goes around a road course or canyon/mountain road better than an SS. That is the only logical conclusion."

Employee 1: "Nope, clearly we need to throw on a monster supercharger, even more weight, some appearance mods, and call it a day. That only makes sense"

Everyone else: "Wait....what? "
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:06 PM   #117
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I'm just picturing this conversation at GM:

Employee 1: "OK so the Camaro trumps most competitors at straight line speeds, but handling could use some work and it is really overweight"

Employee 2: "yeah, and those new CAFE regulations are going to require some work to meet"

Employee 1: "And you know the first generation Z28 had a smaller, higher-strung engine, and an emphasis on handling and track worthiness"

Employee 2: "So clearly, given that we need to work on anything that isn't related to going fast in a straight line, have tougher fuel economy regulations, are criticized for being overweight, and we have a certain heritage to consider, the clear solution is to make a Z28 that is lighter, more efficient, and goes around a road course or canyon/mountain road better than an SS. That is the only logical conclusion."

Employee 1: "Nope, clearly we need to throw on a monster supercharger, even more weight, some appearance mods, and call it a day. That only makes sense"

Everyone else: "Wait....what? "
And unfortunately that is very likely how the scenario will actually play out when they do build a new Z/28, it seems from what we've seen and heard that it will be the high HP/weight version.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:54 PM   #118
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And unfortunately that is very likely how the scenario will actually play out when they do build a new Z/28, it seems from what we've seen and heard that it will be the high HP/weight version.
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Welcome to 2009. However, as I said before, the car can certainly be made lighter, you just can't expect it to be there at a price-point most would feel is appropriate for a Camaro.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:55 PM   #119
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You sort of know what you are talking about. It was the first gen camaro's that only one z/28 convertible was ever produced. They had to pass the idea by the big wigs to build the z/28 model and he was a huge convertible fan. So they built one z/28 convertible to butter him up and get the cars built.
i know that whole thing...for some reason while i was posting i was thinking that was for all gens, not just first gens even tho i have a highschool friend who owned a 4th gen z28
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:17 PM   #120
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I have a question. Except for performance, and the hood, does anyone know, or have an idea of what other kind of exterior or interior changes will be made?
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I can give you weight on the basis of performance, since once you do get into supercar range the weights are up there. Stock, no the weight is too much, but if you're looking at it as a platform for building a supercar, then I will grant you your points.

Now aside from performance, GM still has to think about CAFE, and the only way to do that and retain performance is to shrink power and weight to maintain power to weight ratios.

The other part of the weight issue is the perception of size. For whatever reason, while the G8 seems to shrink around you in turns, the Camaro feels like its growing larger. Make all the numbers you want, but if you can't place the apex, you're still at a liability. I don't think that's anything they can fix on the Z28. It will have to come with the next generation, when the inevitably shrink and de-power the car.
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Old 07-02-2009, 10:27 AM   #122
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The other part of the weight issue is the perception of size. For whatever reason, while the G8 seems to shrink around you in turns, the Camaro feels like its growing larger. Make all the numbers you want, but if you can't place the apex, you're still at a liability.
Now you are on my turf. When we are done Pedderising your car you'll be able to hit apexes with a 2010 Camaro that feels 1,000 pounds lighter. The car will track and turn-in at levels that will radically alter your opinion. The difference in perspective is that I have already driven a dialed in 5th Gen. We have to get you into a fully Pedderised 5th Gen.
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The 500 hp Genesis doesn't surprise me. Even the 4-bangers are related to the Evo motor. It shouldn't be too difficult to extract that power out of them.

JusticePete, I'm going back and forth over the direction I want to go with my Camaro. Right now, I'll probably get a convertible as a weekend cruiser, and so the weight/suspension won't be all that important to me. I'm still considering getting a coupe for both DD and weekend fun duties (mainly depends on gas prices & work travel demands) and if that's the case, a Pedders suspension is mod #1.
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