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Old 04-15-2013, 10:18 AM   #18
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:22 AM   #19
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How GM would charge more for less , they can try , but I think they will be in for a surprise .
Regarding performance , GM has to keep some cards in the sleeve
About 18 months after they bring the Z/28 back out , they will bring an updated newer version with another 80+ HP , and there we go again , and again
One can never bring all the cards at once , it's not a good thing !!!
If you really think they are charging more for less, especially if the z/28 runs slower than a zl1 in the 1/4 mile, then count yourself in the group that doesn't 'get it'.

There are reasons why I don't think a supercharger should and would be added. A supercharger will add heat, weight, and complexity. Three things you don't want in a car that will be tracked heavily, and that you want to be reliable in terms of power and consistency. You also want minimal points of failure. Most buyers are amateurs, and we don't want to worry about overheat and failure issues. We just want to drive on track
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:31 AM   #20
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My guess on the z/28 1/4 times and mph is ZERO because nobody who buys one is going to want to be seen at a FREAKING DRAGSTRIP. I honestly don't get the 1/4 mile thing sometimes. It's not the be-all end-all of performance.

This car is a hunter; a production car killer. In the hands of a skilled driver it's going to terrorize production cars everywhere. Most drivers will lose their courage before this car will lose it's ability to perform. It's pretty much going to become THE car to have for HPDE, club events and track days. I can't wait to see the legend it creates for itself on the semi-pro/pro circuit. Nothing in this paragraph has or will have anything to do with 1/4 mile times.

Stingrays and Z/28s at Le Mans, Daytona, Sebring....there are some serious Chevy racing glory days just up ahead.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:52 AM   #21
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My guess on the z/28 1/4 times and mph is ZERO because nobody who buys one is going to want to be seen at a FREAKING DRAGSTRIP. I honestly don't get the 1/4 mile thing sometimes. It's not the be-all end-all of performance.

This car is a hunter; a production car killer. In the hands of a skilled driver it's going to terrorize production cars everywhere. Most drivers will lose their courage before this car will lose it's ability to perform. It's pretty much going to become THE car to have for HPDE, club events and track days. I can't wait to see the legend it creates for itself on the semi-pro/pro circuit. Nothing in this paragraph has or will have anything to do with 1/4 mile times.

Stingrays and Z/28s at Le Mans, Daytona, Sebring....there are some serious Chevy racing glory days just up ahead.
I don't think that's the question, Doc. The Z/28 at the 1/4 is not the be-all end-all question... just a simple query by the OP on what it can do in the 1/4 and it's not taking away at all from its primary objective and principal intent for use--> at the road course/track/circuit. So in the spirit of the OP's question, let's keep the context within the OP's scope... @ what do you think it can do in the 1/4 mile strip? We all know the Z/28 is going to surprise many highline manufacturers once the track times are tested & revealed.
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I don't think that's the question, Doc. The Z/28 at the 1/4 is not the be-all end-all question... just a simple query by the OP on what it can do in the 1/4 and it's not taking away at all from its primary objective and principal intent for use--> at the road course/track/circuit. So in the spirit of the OP's question, let's keep the context within the OP's scope... @ what do you think it can do in the 1/4 mile strip? We all know the Z/28 is going to surprise many highline manufacturers once the track times are tested & revealed.
Yes.

The magazines will do the usual test including 0-60, 1/4 time & mph, 60-0, etc. it will be interesting. I think it will perform quite well in all test. I'd love to see a less than 100' 60-0.

P.S. for those so freaked out about weight, Al O. said around the track (I guess where they were testing) removing 250 lbs. from the Camaro resulted in only a 1 second gain. He said wayyyyyy more was gained from better braking, handling and power. Yes weight is the enemy, but it can be subdued.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:43 AM   #23
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I don't think that's the question, Doc. The Z/28 at the 1/4 is not the be-all end-all question... just a simple query by the OP on what it can do in the 1/4 and it's not taking away at all from its primary objective and principal intent for use--> at the road course/track/circuit. So in the spirit of the OP's question, let's keep the context within the OP's scope... @ what do you think it can do in the 1/4 mile strip? We all know the Z/28 is going to surprise many highline manufacturers once the track times are tested & revealed.
You can already guess based on hp, weight and gearing that it would do low 12's maybe high 11's but so what? Asking what a Z will do in the 1/4 is like asking how many free throws a baseball pitcher can make on the basketball court; it just doesn't fit. With all due respect it doesn't matter what it can do in the 1/4 because it's not going to be seen or used in the 1/4. It's not designed for that; Chevy already has the COPO and ZL1 that are designed to compete there. If anybody is interested in a 1/4 mile car they won't be buying this car. Those who can afford to spend $70k and will buy a Z/28 are either collectors or plan to run it on road courses.

Nothing against the OP but understanding what this car is really about has nothing to do with 1/4 mile and everything to do with the average lap speeds at tracks where we already have those statistics for the cars the Z is going to be competing against. And in that regard I have a feeling this car is going to embarrass foreign maker cars that cost considerably more.
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All cars are measured by the same stats. Therefore the 0-60 and 1/4 Time & MPH are important for comparisons. The Z/28 will highly excel in slalom and G's. I personally think it will do exrremely well in all catagories.
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Sticking to the question I'll say mid 12's. Ill say Gen 5 camaros 1/4 #'s don't really impress me bone stock . They do come alive with the right modifications and do belive , theirs fans waiting to put their hands to the z/28 for 1/4 mile purpose including myself. So forgive me if I missed the part about it being a circuit "lap" car . The z/28 is gonna draw a lot of interest once it's posted on YouTube punching lower 9 numbers saying ,hey circut guys ,look at what we did . This to me is kissing the "ghost". Make ur freaking hair stand up!!
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I'm gonna concede this one to the track guys...lol...I'd love to see the results of a lighter weight, LS7 powered Camaro on the quarter mile...I think that's what the curiosity is...but you won't need a Z/28 to get that...For all I know they're already out there, custom built, home built, whatever...
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:06 PM   #28
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I honestly don't get the 1/4 mile thing sometimes. It's not the be-all end-all of performance.
I agree.

The auto enthusiast magazines will likely run the Z/28 in the quarter mile as part of their perfunctory testing, but as most of us know the Z/28 was not designed for quarter mile racing. In fact, according to GM to preserve the track-focused nature of the Z/28 and to save weight, the Z/28 doesn’t have the strengthened differential and half shafts of the ZL1, and is not recommended for drag racing. Accordingly, I doubt there will be many, if any, Z/28 owners who will participate in quarter mile racing with the Z/28. Therefore, as many have indicated, the quarter mile times and speed that the Z/28 can achieve are not likely to be particularly relevant to most Z/28 owners.
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:11 PM   #29
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You'd think so, but it seems that a lot of people don't 'get it'. Just wait, as soon as the 1/4 times show that it's slower than a ZL1, people are going to start talking about what a 'ripoff' the Z/28 is when they can get a ZL1 that is 'faster' and cheaper..... Hopefully I'm wrong, but I'm probably right...
Unfortunately I think you will be right
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I agree.

The auto enthusiast magazines will likely run the Z/28 in the quarter mile as part of their perfunctory testing, but as most of us know the Z/28 was not designed for quarter mile racing. In fact, according to GM to preserve the track-focused nature of the Z/28 and to save weight, the Z/28 doesn’t have the strengthened differential and half shafts of the ZL1, and is not recommended for drag racing. Accordingly, I doubt there will be many, if any, Z/28 owners who will participate in quarter mile racing with the Z/28. Therefore, as many have indicated, the quarter mile times and speed that the Z/28 can achieve are not likely to be particularly relevant to most Z/28 owners.
Ur right about the half shafts and so on.. Its equivalent to a stock ss. Livernoise had the worlds fastest gen 5 at 1 point dialing high 9's on stock suspension . Point is I do my homework
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u all bitch and cry , ya its not made for the 1/4 but , on another hand if ur talking performance , the 1/4 readings tell alot about a car.
simple 1/4 times mean alot in road racing , believe it or not. but i gonna say they will be more ppl buy these cars to drive around then take to the track so . im gonna say they will be more ppl at the 1/4 racing them aswell. its just more popular the road racing. with the ls7 and being around ss weight it will make a fun 1.5 mile car.

if that serious about racing then a factory car is not gonna cut it to begin with.


lol , i like the fact that these so called racers say 1/4 times have nothing to do with how this car will do at a road coarse . power has alot to do with turning a whole lot. if u got a car that cant pull very hard then u r gonna be changing gears alot causing movement, where a powerful car will power thur it, u drive with ur power as much as u drive with a wheel. are u all really that blind?
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Ur right about the half shafts and so on.. Its equivalent to a stock ss. Livernoise had the worlds fastest gen 5 at 1 point dialing high 9's on stock suspension . Point is I do my homework
No, it has the 1LE upgraded rear components.
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I agree.

The auto enthusiast magazines will likely run the Z/28 in the quarter mile as part of their perfunctory testing, but as most of us know the Z/28 was not designed for quarter mile racing. In fact, according to GM to preserve the track-focused nature of the Z/28 and to save weight, the Z/28 doesn’t have the strengthened differential and half shafts of the ZL1, and is not recommended for drag racing. Accordingly, I doubt there will be many, if any, Z/28 owners who will participate in quarter mile racing with the Z/28. Therefore, as many have indicated, the quarter mile times and speed that the Z/28 can achieve are not likely to be particularly relevant to most Z/28 owners.

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u all bitch and cry , ya its not made for the 1/4 but , on another hand if ur talking performance , the 1/4 readings tell alot about a car.
simple 1/4 times mean alot in road racing , believe it or not. but i gonna say they will be more ppl buy these cars to drive around then take to the track so . im gonna say they will be more ppl at the 1/4 racing them aswell. its just more popular the road racing. with the ls7 and being around ss weight it will make a fun 1.5 mile car.

if that serious about racing then a factory car is not gonna cut it to begin with.


lol , i like the fact that these so called racers say 1/4 times have nothing to do with how this car will do at a road coarse . power has alot to do with turning a whole lot. if u got a car that cant pull very hard then u r gonna be changing gears alot causing movement, where a powerful car will power thur it, u drive with ur power as much as u drive with a wheel. are u all really that blind?
Let's try not to be so inclusive.

On a road-course 1/4 mile performance is not important at all except for maybe a standing start which is uncommon. It needs to pull hard off corners and down straights, but not from a standing start. BTW that is what both the high-revving LS7 and this Tremec 6 are built for pulling hard!
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