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Old 04-15-2013, 02:27 PM   #26
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I'm gonna concede this one to the track guys...lol...I'd love to see the results of a lighter weight, LS7 powered Camaro on the quarter mile...I think that's what the curiosity is...but you won't need a Z/28 to get that...For all I know they're already out there, custom built, home built, whatever...
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:06 PM   #28
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I honestly don't get the 1/4 mile thing sometimes. It's not the be-all end-all of performance.
I agree.

The auto enthusiast magazines will likely run the Z/28 in the quarter mile as part of their perfunctory testing, but as most of us know the Z/28 was not designed for quarter mile racing. In fact, according to GM to preserve the track-focused nature of the Z/28 and to save weight, the Z/28 doesn’t have the strengthened differential and half shafts of the ZL1, and is not recommended for drag racing. Accordingly, I doubt there will be many, if any, Z/28 owners who will participate in quarter mile racing with the Z/28. Therefore, as many have indicated, the quarter mile times and speed that the Z/28 can achieve are not likely to be particularly relevant to most Z/28 owners.
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You'd think so, but it seems that a lot of people don't 'get it'. Just wait, as soon as the 1/4 times show that it's slower than a ZL1, people are going to start talking about what a 'ripoff' the Z/28 is when they can get a ZL1 that is 'faster' and cheaper..... Hopefully I'm wrong, but I'm probably right...
Unfortunately I think you will be right
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I agree.

The auto enthusiast magazines will likely run the Z/28 in the quarter mile as part of their perfunctory testing, but as most of us know the Z/28 was not designed for quarter mile racing. In fact, according to GM to preserve the track-focused nature of the Z/28 and to save weight, the Z/28 doesn’t have the strengthened differential and half shafts of the ZL1, and is not recommended for drag racing. Accordingly, I doubt there will be many, if any, Z/28 owners who will participate in quarter mile racing with the Z/28. Therefore, as many have indicated, the quarter mile times and speed that the Z/28 can achieve are not likely to be particularly relevant to most Z/28 owners.
Ur right about the half shafts and so on.. Its equivalent to a stock ss. Livernoise had the worlds fastest gen 5 at 1 point dialing high 9's on stock suspension . Point is I do my homework
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:45 PM   #31
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u all bitch and cry , ya its not made for the 1/4 but , on another hand if ur talking performance , the 1/4 readings tell alot about a car.
simple 1/4 times mean alot in road racing , believe it or not. but i gonna say they will be more ppl buy these cars to drive around then take to the track so . im gonna say they will be more ppl at the 1/4 racing them aswell. its just more popular the road racing. with the ls7 and being around ss weight it will make a fun 1.5 mile car.

if that serious about racing then a factory car is not gonna cut it to begin with.


lol , i like the fact that these so called racers say 1/4 times have nothing to do with how this car will do at a road coarse . power has alot to do with turning a whole lot. if u got a car that cant pull very hard then u r gonna be changing gears alot causing movement, where a powerful car will power thur it, u drive with ur power as much as u drive with a wheel. are u all really that blind?
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Ur right about the half shafts and so on.. Its equivalent to a stock ss. Livernoise had the worlds fastest gen 5 at 1 point dialing high 9's on stock suspension . Point is I do my homework
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I agree.

The auto enthusiast magazines will likely run the Z/28 in the quarter mile as part of their perfunctory testing, but as most of us know the Z/28 was not designed for quarter mile racing. In fact, according to GM to preserve the track-focused nature of the Z/28 and to save weight, the Z/28 doesn’t have the strengthened differential and half shafts of the ZL1, and is not recommended for drag racing. Accordingly, I doubt there will be many, if any, Z/28 owners who will participate in quarter mile racing with the Z/28. Therefore, as many have indicated, the quarter mile times and speed that the Z/28 can achieve are not likely to be particularly relevant to most Z/28 owners.

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u all bitch and cry , ya its not made for the 1/4 but , on another hand if ur talking performance , the 1/4 readings tell alot about a car.
simple 1/4 times mean alot in road racing , believe it or not. but i gonna say they will be more ppl buy these cars to drive around then take to the track so . im gonna say they will be more ppl at the 1/4 racing them aswell. its just more popular the road racing. with the ls7 and being around ss weight it will make a fun 1.5 mile car.

if that serious about racing then a factory car is not gonna cut it to begin with.


lol , i like the fact that these so called racers say 1/4 times have nothing to do with how this car will do at a road coarse . power has alot to do with turning a whole lot. if u got a car that cant pull very hard then u r gonna be changing gears alot causing movement, where a powerful car will power thur it, u drive with ur power as much as u drive with a wheel. are u all really that blind?
Let's try not to be so inclusive.

On a road-course 1/4 mile performance is not important at all except for maybe a standing start which is uncommon. It needs to pull hard off corners and down straights, but not from a standing start. BTW that is what both the high-revving LS7 and this Tremec 6 are built for pulling hard!
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No , I get it the last time I checked their was only 14 individuals on this thread . It's millions outside "worldly" speaking that loves camaros and every one has their own opinion . I'm more into the amazing side of life. Like what if , that wow factor!!! Being the person I am I'd rather work with more than less . It's simple math. If the copo came with a vin i recon I wouldn't be here . I'll say it again , their will be many others looking at this vehicle to maximize its potential . Just know that!!
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lol , i like the fact that these so called racers say 1/4 times have nothing to do with how this car will do at a road coarse .
I think the issue is you just don't get what we are saying....

The Z/28 is more than likely going to be slower than the ZL1 in the quarter but more than likely it will be faster around a road course. Using your logic how would that be possible?
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With 500HP roughly 430rwhp 3830 empty weight, tires that have 60 tread wear (better than nitto 555r @ 100 tread wear) most of all with a competent driver low 12's @ 115 - 116mph

I've cut a 1.85 60ft with my nittos that got me a 12.5 @ 113 with 403rwhp, another 30+- hp and better tire that's my guess
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u all bitch and cry , ya its not made for the 1/4 but , on another hand if ur talking performance , the 1/4 readings tell alot about a car.
simple 1/4 times mean alot in road racing , believe it or not. but i gonna say they will be more ppl buy these cars to drive around then take to the track so . im gonna say they will be more ppl at the 1/4 racing them aswell. its just more popular the road racing. with the ls7 and being around ss weight it will make a fun 1.5 mile car.

if that serious about racing then a factory car is not gonna cut it to begin with.


lol , i like the fact that these so called racers say 1/4 times have nothing to do with how this car will do at a road coarse . power has alot to do with turning a whole lot. if u got a car that cant pull very hard then u r gonna be changing gears alot causing movement, where a powerful car will power thur it, u drive with ur power as much as u drive with a wheel. are u all really that blind?
That was painful to read, on multiple levels.

Most important factors for road-course performance of a street-legal car, in order of importance:

Driver
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I think the issue is you just don't get what we are saying....

The Z/28 is more than likely going to be slower than the ZL1 in the quarter but more than likely it will be faster around a road course. Using your logic how would that be possible?
who said any diff, i just asked the standard ? if it but hurts u guys that bad then oh well.

where did i say it wasnt important . power is very important. if u want to be fast u need power .

why the ls7 then. if power is not important i would rather have the ls3 . less weight .


guess we will see when it is released.
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That was painful to read, on multiple levels.

Most important factors for road-course performance of a street-legal car, in order of importance:

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Naturally aspirated engine with a linear power delivery

its 2 diff worlds. simply if u guys think its not important. then thats u . im pretty sure if this car is a 14 sec car then its gonna suck at road racing. it may do good at autocross then. lol
have any of u guy even been on a large coarse? or pushed a car hard into a turn pushing its limits if not then . pls stick to the ? 1/4 times lol

just like the 1le. its a road car but how many race in the 1/4 mile. same diff
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its 2 diff worlds. simply if u guys think its not important. then thats u . im pretty sure if this car is a 14 sec car then its gonna suck at road racing. it may do good at autocross then. lol
have any of u guy even been on a large coarse? or pushed a car hard into a turn pushing its limits if not then . pls stick to the ? 1/4 times lol

just like the 1le. its a road car but how many race in the 1/4 mile. same diff
Also didn't they the same with the zl1 . Gm knows its market ability ,they can raise the checkered flag around the oval course . SimPle marketing strategy that's what they pride themselves on .
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its 2 diff worlds. simply if u guys think its not important. then thats u . im pretty sure if this car is a 14 sec car then its gonna suck at road racing. it may do good at autocross then. lol
have any of u guy even been on a large coarse? or pushed a car hard into a turn pushing its limits if not then . pls stick to the ? 1/4 times lol

just like the 1le. its a road car but how many race in the 1/4 mile. same diff
You gotta be kidding, right? A Miata isn't exactly a 1/4 mile car but it will kick your ass in an autocross. A 14 second 1/4 mile car can be extremely competitive if it can put all it's power down on the track reliably corner after corner. A Lotus Evora S will only run high 12's in the 1/4 but good luck trying to keep up with it on a road course in your 1/4 mile beast.

I'm thinking it might be you who haven't been on a road course. I beat a C63 black AMG on a road course because the driver could only go fast in a straight line. I ate him alive in the corners.
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who said any diff, i just asked the standard ? if it but hurts u guys that bad then oh well.

where did i say it wasnt important . power is very important. if u want to be fast u need power .

why the ls7 then. if power is not important i would rather have the ls3 . less weight .


guess we will see when it is released.

Nobody said it's not important, It's just not as important in road racing as it is in drag racing.

This is a extreme example but I'm trying to get you to see what we are saying.

This car has more power....






than this car.....






But it would get killed by it at the track.

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You gotta be kidding, right? A Miata isn't exactly a 1/4 mile car but it will kick your ass in an autocross. A 14 second 1/4 mile car can be extremely competitive if it can put all it's power down on the track reliably corner after corner. A Lotus Evora S will only run high 12's in the 1/4 but good luck trying to keep up with it on a road course in your 1/4 mile beast.

I'm thinking it might be you who haven't been on a road course. I beat a C63 black AMG on a road course because the driver could only go fast in a straight line. I ate him alive in the corners.

ya autocross. is not a full stage coarse. i dont think the z/28 will get to show its true blood on a autocross track. i guess u missed where i said in autocross power really dont matter .

this is why this forum is the way it is. u cant get ppl to answer a simple ? if u dont like the topic dont click. u may have busted a c63 black amg but im sure the driver had alot to do with that.
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im not sayin anything i just askin what do u think i will run. u guys get all crazy over a simple ? so i guess the zl1 is not a road car . its made for the 1/4 mile only. dont need no test then. the 1le dont need to be advertised with the 12.7 time since its a road track pack. i mean really.
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On a road-course 1/4 mile performance is not important at all except for maybe a standing start which is uncommon. It needs to pull hard off corners and down straights, but not from a standing start. BTW that is what both the high-revving LS7 and this Tremec 6 are built for pulling hard!
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who said any diff, i just asked the standard ? if it but hurts u guys that bad then oh well.

where did i say it wasnt important . power is very important. if u want to be fast u need power .

why the ls7 then. if power is not important i would rather have the ls3 . less weight .

guess we will see when it is released.
Please again notice my comments above from earlier.

Also an LS7 and an LS3 are both GM SB's therefore the same weight.
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Nobody said it's not important, It's just not as important in road racing as it is in drag racing.

This is a extreme example but I'm trying to get you to see what we are saying.

This car has more power....






than this car.....






But it would get killed by it at the track.

ya on some tracks but some not.
cant see the 2nd car but u get the point.

from gm catalog i remember it being like 70 lbs diff on a dressed engine.
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ya on some tracks but some not.
cant see the 2nd car but u get the point.

from gm catalog i remember it being like 70 lbs diff on a dressed engine.
I don't think there is a track on earth where the ZR1 will beat a C6R.....
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