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Old 04-15-2013, 11:05 PM   #51
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Mr irrelevant 3:91 ratio

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No, it has the 1LE upgraded rear components.
Wow , I'm glad you added that 3:91 gear ratio. Which is being replaced with the 9 bolt moser rear
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:30 PM   #52
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its 2 diff worlds. simply if u guys think its not important. then thats u . im pretty sure if this car is a 14 sec car then its gonna suck at road racing. it may do good at autocross then. lol
have any of u guy even been on a large coarse? or pushed a car hard into a turn pushing its limits if not then . pls stick to the ? 1/4 times lol

just like the 1le. its a road car but how many race in the 1/4 mile. same diff
OK, put dekan513 with the other guys in the 'just doesn't get it' column. If you knew ZFatuated, you'd know he's got some SERIOUS experience at the track AND he knows how to spell road course. Based on your comments, it's clear that you don't get it and your road course experience is limited at best.

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Nobody said it's not important, It's just not as important in road racing as it is in drag racing.

This is a extreme example but I'm trying to get you to see what we are saying.

This car has more power....






than this car.....






But it would get killed by it at the track.
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ya on some tracks but some not.
cant see the 2nd car but u get the point.
Nope. It's clear you don't get it.

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I don't think there is a track on earth where the ZR1 will beat a C6R.....
Correct.

If you can't understand why, then you don't get it. It's that simple. A few tenths of a second difference down the quarter mile (which is what we would be talking about between a ZL1 and Z/28) is not going to be a deciding factor in which car is faster around a road course. Of course if you're comparing to something like a miata it makes an enormous diffence, but we're not. We're talking about 500hp vs 580hp. The tenths of a second that the Z/28 loses to the ZL1 in a quarter mile has no bearing on what kind of speeds the car will hit on the the straightaways on a track. I'll bet that while the Z/28 will have a slower ET and lower trap speed at a drag strip than a ZL1, the peak speeds down the straightaway for a Z/28 will be faster than a ZL1. If you can't understand reasons why that would be.... you don't get it (one hint: corner exit speed).

Let me use the 911 turbo and the 911 GT3 as a good example of the differences between a ZL1 and Z/28. While some of you have no interest in Porsche because their owners are pretentious assholes (by in large, you'd be right, but that's beside the point), the comparison here is valid.

The 911 Turbo makes more power, more torque, weighs more, has more amenities, and goes 0-60 and does 1/4 milefaster than a GT3

The 911 GT3 makes less power, less torque, weighs less, has less amenities, goes 0-60 and does the 1/4 mile slower than a 911 Turbo, but laps a circuit faster. It's also more engaging and fun to drive.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:34 PM   #53
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ya autocross. is not a full stage coarse. i dont think the z/28 will get to show its true blood on a autocross track. i guess u missed where i said in autocross power really dont matter .

this is why this forum is the way it is. u cant get ppl to answer a simple ? if u dont like the topic dont click. u may have busted a c63 black amg but im sure the driver had alot to do with that.
You ramble, contradict yourself, forget what you already posted and generally aren't making much sense, so... whatever dude.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:40 AM   #54
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u all bitch and cry , ya its not made for the 1/4 but , on another hand if ur talking performance , the 1/4 readings tell alot about a car.
simple 1/4 times mean alot in road racing , believe it or not. but i gonna say they will be more ppl buy these cars to drive around then take to the track so . im gonna say they will be more ppl at the 1/4 racing them aswell. its just more popular the road racing. with the ls7 and being around ss weight it will make a fun 1.5 mile car.

if that serious about racing then a factory car is not gonna cut it to begin with.


lol , i like the fact that these so called racers say 1/4 times have nothing to do with how this car will do at a road coarse . power has alot to do with turning a whole lot. if u got a car that cant pull very hard then u r gonna be changing gears alot causing movement, where a powerful car will power thur it, u drive with ur power as much as u drive with a wheel. are u all really that blind?

No, it doesn't.... 50-110 does mean a lot however.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:39 AM   #55
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Should trap 115-118 mph and best in the high 11's
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:18 AM   #56
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While I agree with everyone stating this car is not built for the 1/4, you know it will be tested there by magazines. You have to know that someone that buys one will shop up to the drag strip with it. Now you can say either that person doesnt get or whatever but I can almost guarantee somebody will take it to the 1/4 just to see what it does. I have seen quite a few cars that have no business being on drag strip go down the 1/4 mile. Ive seen Lamborghini's at the drag strip, you cant tell me those cars are built for the 1/4 mile, but sometimes people just want to blast down the strip.

With that being said, I did agree that the car is not built for the 1/4, and lap times will be more interesting/valid to discuss. But to answer the O.P.'s question, im going to guess somewhere in the low mid 12s @ around 115
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ya i think low 12's will be where it sits, just curious to what the stock ls7 will do.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:08 PM   #58
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You ramble, contradict yourself, forget what you already posted and generally aren't making much sense, so... whatever dude.
yep thats what i would say too.
i ramble, u troll so what.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:25 PM   #59
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You ramble, contradict yourself, forget what you already posted and generally aren't making much sense, so... whatever dude.
Congrats, Doc...You've just summarized 99% of what happens on these forums in general...lol...

Think I'll use that in my sig, if I ever get around to making one...lol...
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According to 1/4 mile calculators it will be very close to the ZL1. 11.8 - 12.2
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yep thats what i would say too.
i ramble, u troll so what.
How in the world is HE trolling?????? We tried to help you understand why the Z/28 1/4 mile time was not going to be a good indicator of it's overall performance level. I see we are wasting our time....

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Old 04-17-2013, 10:48 AM   #63
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I'm gonna concede this one to the track guys...lol...I'd love to see the results of a lighter weight, LS7 powered Camaro on the quarter mile...I think that's what the curiosity is...but you won't need a Z/28 to get that...For all I know they're already out there, custom built, home built, whatever...
the 427 is an option for the COPO

and from what i have seen they are in the 9s from the factory


I just wish GM would make a street legal car like this
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Wow , I'm glad you added that 3:91 gear ratio. Which is being replaced with the 9 bolt moser rear
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the 427 is an option for the COPO

and from what i have seen they are in the 9s from the factory


I just wish GM would make a street legal car like this
Not quite the same 427.
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How in the world is HE trolling?????? We tried to help you understand why the Z/28 1/4 mile time was not going to be a good indicator of it's overall performance level. I see we are wasting our time....
if u dont agree with a post and just try to crap on it thats pretty much trolling maybe i should do the same to his post.
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Not quite the same 427.
ya i agree with u there lol, a lil diff.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:53 AM   #68
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The Z/28 was never a 1.4 mile star. Even with 500+ HP, I think that is 3.91:1 final drive will actually hurt its 1/4 mile times, being it is geared for a road course.
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there is no way 3.91 will hurt its time it will only help it. it helped the 1le it will help the z/28.

the origianl z/28 sucked at the quarter mile becaue it had a 302. this one has a 427.

I think if the 1le can do 12.7 or so the z/28 whould have no problem with 12.2-12.3 at minimum.

the power difference betten the LS3 and the LS7 is night and day. the LS7 smashes it everywhere low end, top end, more rpm range. I have owned both. stock vs stock it has some much more power.
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there is no way 3.91 will hurt its time it will only help it. it helped the 1le it will help the z/28.

the origianl z/28 sucked at the quarter mile becaue it had a 302. this one has a 427.

I think if the 1le can do 12.7 or so the z/28 whould have no problem with 12.2-12.3 at minimum.

the power difference betten the LS3 and the LS7 is night and day. the LS7 smashes it everywhere low end, top end, more rpm range. I have owned both. stock vs stock it has some much more power.

Correct the gearing will help the Z/28 in the 1/4. Calculators show it at 11.8
The 1Gen Z/28 SUPRISINGLY didn't suck. In fact it was almost as fast as the top 396.
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I say 12 flat at 118 and I cant wait to see what it does! If I ever get my hands on one it will see drag strip duty regardless of what its built to do best! None of the 5th gens are built around the drag strip but how many of us do it!
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Correct the gearing will help the Z/28 in the 1/4. Calculators show it at 11.8
The 1Gen Z/28 SUPRISINGLY didn't suck. In fact it was almost as fast as the top 396.
....true, the 3.73 in the ZL1 with the tranny gearing does not trap out very high RPM wise in 4th gear, there's too much motor left in the quarter. Shorter gears would benefit the ZL1 in the quarter and road course, but would compromise the 186 MPH <governed> top end. It's amazingly balanced for top end, all length's of road courses and quarter mile as it could possibly be. The Z/28..not...it's bred for road racing with winding, twisting turns..., the more, the merrier! The 1320' times are going to be something better than the ZL1 I believe. It'll dig out and wind up easier with the TR6060, 3:91's, 300 lb. diet and 7,100 redline..awesome....
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I say 12 flat at 118 and I cant wait to see what it does! If I ever get my hands on one it will see drag strip duty regardless of what its built to do best! None of the 5th gens are built around the drag strip but how many of us do it!
i been lookin for a way to say that , but im not good with words lol. tryin to talk my dad into buying one. he was about to get a zl1 , but now ive almost got him talked in to a z.
i cant afford one so next best thing is talk the ol man into one.
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....true, the 3.73 in the ZL1 with the tranny gearing does not trap out very high RPM wise in 4th gear, there's too much motor left in the quarter. Shorter gears would benefit the ZL1 in the quarter and road course, but would compromise the 186 MPH <governed> top end. It's amazingly balanced for top end, all length's of road courses and quarter mile as it could possibly be. The Z/28..not...it's bred for road racing with winding, twisting turns..., the more, the merrier! The 1320' times are going to be something better than the ZL1 I believe. It'll dig out and wind up easier with the TR6060, 3:91's, 300 lb. diet and 7,100 redline..awesome....
I'll be surprised if it beats the ZL1 in the 1/4. I think it'll come close though.
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If the 1LE can run a 12.7, the Z28 will be low 12's at least. Take a 1LE add roughly 70hp to the wheels and tires with even more grip off the line.
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