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Old 04-16-2013, 10:37 AM   #18
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New model SRT8s are promising. My 2010 Challenger SRT8 was great but once the Camaro was released I jumped. Interested to see what changes they make.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:38 AM   #19
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Just wondering if the guys @ GM are having a chuckle over this announcement
Doubt it, Dodges are generally DD cars. Z/28 isn't practical for most.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:53 AM   #20
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Dodge Mulling Camaro Z/28 Rival, Barracuda Reportedly Delayed
The unveiling of the Camaro Z/28, based on the latest incarnation of Chevrolet's muscle car, seems to have gotten Chrysler officials thinking. Their Dodge Challenger is currently far too heavy, and they feel that it can't compete with the more modern bow-tie sports car, or the much-improved latest Ford Mustang.
However, according to MotorTrend, a Z/28-challenger may be on its way, but it will require a lot of work on Chrysler's side, in order to make it happen, and to be competitive.

It is suggested that the track-focused Challenger would have to lose a lot of weight, gain better brakes and stiffer springs, as well as an improved version of the 6.4-liter 392 Hemi V8, which currently makes 470 hp and 470 pound-feet (636 Nm). Power should be up, and if it still isn't enough, there's always the 8.4-liter V10, and if they were to put that under the bonnet of the Challenger, it would be turned into a much more unique proposition, and probably be priced above its rivals.

The magazine states, however, that chances of getting the V10 are very slim.

In addition, if they are to keep the same naming philosophy that they have with the Viper, then this more focused machine would be called the Challenger TA, which stands for Time Attack. Production won't stop at 33 units like they are doing with the Viper, though, and while it will carve itself a niche within a niche, it is probably the way to go for Dodge and Chrysler, if they don’t want to be left too far behind the muscle-car pack.

There is also another option of basing this TA model on the replacement for the current Challenger, rumored to resurrect the Barracuda nameplate. Still, according SRT boss Ralph Gilles, the development of the new Barracuda, is still a few years away. The repost says it may very well share its platform with Alfa's upcoming RWD 5-Series-challenger, and go on sale around the same time as that car – whenever that may be…
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:12 AM   #21
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Yes, here's the picture of it that came out last week. Oh and they have a longgggggggggg way to go. But it does look good.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:58 AM   #22
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Anything is possible with Dodge.

Don't count the Challenger out just because it bigger and heavier than the Camaro anf Mustang.

History has proven time and time again that bigger is sometimes better.
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:07 PM   #23
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:11 PM   #24
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Remember, the ZL1 is over 4000 pounds
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:21 PM   #25
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Yes, but it's not better because it's bigger. It's the technology. And Dodge has never really been that high on tech. They're more brutish.
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The only way I see Dodge having ANY chance to compete is to seriously take some weight out their current Challenger chassis platform or shove a 600+hp powertrain in it. Neither seems possible without pricing itself out the pony car market!

I've met Ralph Gilles a few times at a few Mopar events and he and his crew at SRT want a pony car that'll be on par or better than the ZL1 and Z28. Maybe pony car history will repeat itself like back in the late 60's and early 70's when Dodge came late to pony car market with the Challenger. I hope by 2015 or 16 the Dodge boys will have something wicked for us to play with!
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Yes, but it's not better because it's bigger. It's the technology. And Dodge has never really been that high on tech. They're more brutish.
I remember seeing a Top Gear episode where they compared the ZR1 to a Viper ACR. They described both as brute American cars, but the ACR was so impossible to control that they said they'd rather drive the ZR1. Right now, the only thing keeping the 392 under control is the weight. I don't see Dodge building a supercar out of the Challenger that can be taken seriously until they get their act together with technology.
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Old 04-16-2013, 06:41 PM   #28
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Considering the Z/28 is a whole 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 and the Challenger cant touch the ZL1 I highly doubt this is going to happen. But hey, let em try
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They just said they want something that rivals the Z28, they haven't claimed it will be better, faster, or lighter...at least not yet.
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They just said they want something that rivals the Z28, they haven't claimed it will be better, faster, or lighter...at least not yet.
It won't. Not that I blame them for trying. Especially after the new Viper was beat by the old ZR1.
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I think the car he is referring to is the NG not current. The car is simply too heavy. The Z/28 has huge tires to compensate. Not saying Fiat can't get the chassis sorted out, but in the end I think he is talking about the rumored smaller car coming down the road a bit.
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Yes, but it's not better because it's bigger. It's the technology. And Dodge has never really been that high on tech. They're more brutish.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:24 AM   #33
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It won't. Not that I blame them for trying. Especially after the new Viper was beat by the old ZR1.
Acutally the Viper took it's lead back with the new TA and you realize when the ZR1 was brand new it was 2 seconds SLOWER than the last generation Viper around Laguna Seca?

As for Tech, Chrysler has no problem with tech, from their engines with the high tech Pentastar V6, to the 6.4 Hemi, to the new MultiAir 4 cyclinders they are equal to or ahead of the others in their respective classes

Transmissions, they easily beat all mainstream manufacturers (not lux car) to the line with top end 8 speed autos and will do the same next year with the 9 speed autos in FWD and AWD applications, Ford and GM are just starting to work on a competing transmission.

Suspensions: No real problem here either. They current crop of rear drivers are constantly compared to BMW which is high praise on any account, and that is not only the HIGH TECH 3 mode Bilstien suspension, but also the basic non adjustable suspensions. Yes some of the normal cars are tuned for a better ride, but let's be honest, 99.9% of the population doesn't give a crap about track times and prefer a good riding car that doesn't beat them up everyday. It has nothing to do with technology, but tuning the cars for their segment and their target buyers.

safety tech: Chrysler has offered things like adaptive cruise control, collision warning, and crosspath detection for years now.

Interior tech: GM is just now starting to offer touch screens and navigation in cars other thn high end models, Chrysler Dodge and Jeep have been doing this for nearly 10 years. They are constantly improving it and just coming out with a new revision with an improved interface, features, and even a wifi hotspot, they also offer things like configurable guage clusters and push button (have for many years now), and even the entry level dart offers all that, the safety equipment mentioned above, heated seats and steering wheel, high tech turbo and NA engines which offer BETTER horsepower than most competitors and still offer similar or even better fuel mileage and prformance.

I know people knock the Challengers weight, but the ZL1 weighs the same as the SRT8 and the V6 models of both are basically the same weight. They can make a 3800 pound Challenger using the same tricks and tech GM used to make a 3800 pound ZL1. The 6.4 should easily be able to produce similar or better horsepower than the LS7 in the Z28, heck, some dynos show it is nearly there now.

The Viper, even though it is an infant, is already making great times and while it is not gentle, it is made to run hard. It took the ZR1 4 years and basically "legal race slicks" to beat the old Viper and barely beat the fresh new viper (there was less than a seconds difference between the ZR1 and actual production Vipers Motor trend finally ran).

Can they do this? Yes they can, at least a close one, beating the Z28 will be harder than think I believe. Also they have the new 6.2 Supercharged, apparently slated for a 2015 launch, that should be interesting.

I know I covered more tech klevels than needed considering the issue was performance, but the point is they are not at all behind in tech.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:31 AM   #34
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I think the Challenger is more of a sporty, great looking boulevard cruiser rather than something that can turned into a serious track car.

I think Dodge would be better off going in the opposite direction and trying to figure out how to bring SRT8 performance down to a price level competitive with the SS and the 5.0. Or bringing the R/T up to a level where it can run with the SS and 5.0. How many $80,000 Challengers do they think they can sell?
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