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Old 04-18-2013, 08:54 PM   #51
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I promise you I'm not a small guy. Therefore it's hard to hide.

Who said anything about hiding? Now you're just being silly

BTW, I'm much larger than a larger guy, like a cross between an NFL linebacker and a NBA power forward, but WTF does that have to do with you poking a jab at my post and me poking back?

Don't dish it out it you can't take it back.

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Who said anything about hiding? Now you're just being silly

BTW, I'm much larger than a larger guy, like a cross between an NFL linebacker and a NBA power forward, but WTF does that have to do with you poking a jab at my post and me poking back?

Don't dish it out it you can't take it back.

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the way i read his post was that he couldnt hide
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:33 PM   #55
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One of the things that has made the Z/28 Section so "interesting" these last three weeks are the suddenly-knowledgeable souls who have migrated here...without the proverbial GREEN Cards...to mess with the Pilgrims...

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^ as cool as it may be to be an OP "original pilgrim"...

some of us... at least me... dont spend too much time on something that may never be... so when the z/28 was just rumors, yeah i was interested, but not so involved in the discussions because we had no info, facts, data, etc...
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^ as cool as it may be to be an OP "original pilgrim"...

some of us... at least me... dont spend too much time on something that may never be... so when the z/28 was just rumors, yeah i was interested, but not so involved in the discussions because we had no info, facts, data, etc...
...and from this Section came "concerted input", which has now come to fruition...

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One of the things that has made the Z/28 Section so "interesting" these last three weeks are the suddenly-knowledgeable souls who have migrated here...without the proverbial GREEN Cards...to mess with the Pilgrims...

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i would say this is what GM wants for the redesign and the z28 - hype

I was close to buying a Mustang 5.0 with brembos and 3.73 rear end last summer but held off thinking that GM might do something big that i would want. Well they did. Problem is now that big was beyond what i was willing to spend.

So now i may be back to the Mustang v SS 1LE again.

I really thought GM had a market in the 40-50k range but it seems like they wanted another top dollar Camaro.
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If some of you would look outside of the GM brand and see the bigger picture GM isn't just making this Camaro to be the 'best camaro' they're making it to be the best damn track car you can buy while retaining some normal every-day driving experience.

I mean really look at the potential in this car. It's three seconds faster than the ZL1 which turned a 7:41 around the ring. Imagine what those brakes alone will shave off that time in the corners of the ring. Imagine if the three seconds translates to tracks like the VIR where the Z/28 would be close to touching the Ferrari 458 Italia.

If I read the wiki right, the ZL1 turned the ring just about as fast as the ZR1. So the Z/28 will be out-lapping a ZR1 possibly?

This isn't about price. This is about capability, and the Z/28 will be mighty capable in the twisties.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:21 PM   #60
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If some of you would look outside of the GM brand and see the bigger picture GM isn't just making this Camaro to be the 'best camaro' they're making it to be the best damn track car you can buy while retaining some normal every-day driving experience.

I mean really look at the potential in this car. It's three seconds faster than the ZL1 which turned a 7:41 around the ring. Imagine what those brakes alone will shave off that time in the corners of the ring. Imagine if the three seconds translates to tracks like the VIR where the Z/28 would be close to touching the Ferrari 458 Italia.

If I read the wiki right, the ZL1 turned the ring just about as fast as the ZR1. So the Z/28 will be out-lapping a ZR1 possibly?

This isn't about price. This is about capability, and the Z/28 will be mighty capable in the twisties.
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The Z/28 wont touch the Z07 or the ZR1 lap times at the ring
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The Z/28 wont touch the Z07 or the ZR1 lap times at the ring
Uhh? I said nothing about the Corvette i don't think. However, I did mention the LFA and 458.

458 Italia: 7:32.92 or 7:38.00

Lexus LFA: 7:38.00 or 7:38.85

No doubt the Z/28 has a chance at approaching those two.

I mentioned the 458 Italia and LFA due to the VIR Lightning Lap Times:
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1. 458 Italia : 2:49.9 ($333,000)
2. Lexus LFA : 2:55.1 ($380,000)
3. Camaro ZL1 : 2:57.5 ($59,000)

So, For $300,000 cheaper, you can out track a Lexus LFA in a Z/28. Listening to what I'm saying now?

If the Z/28 shed 3 seconds off Milford's 2.9mi (could be wrong about the length) road coarse.... Just saying.
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i would say this is what GM wants for the redesign and the z28 - hype

I was close to buying a Mustang 5.0 with brembos and 3.73 rear end last summer but held off thinking that GM might do something big that i would want. Well they did. Problem is now that big was beyond what i was willing to spend.

So now i may be back to the Mustang v SS 1LE again.

I really thought GM had a market in the 40-50k range but it seems like they wanted another top dollar Camaro.
Apparently, a 1LE out-tracks a BOSS and gives fits/exceeds the BOSS LS...let alone a Track Pack GT of similar pricing to the 1LE.

Wanna spend $40-ish, and wanna have the quickest way around VIR? 1LE.

Wanna spend under-$50 for the same car with a SEMA Show attached? Good Luck with that...

BTW, the "true believers", here, would like to think they had some input into the realization of the Z/28. Most of us are older folk, with decent discretionary income. Not saddled with student loans 'n such. Empty nesters...and, therefore sometimes, empty garagers...

The "true Beliebers"? The Z/28 is NOT Justin time...

Before the "Old Timers" disease sets in, we'd like to maintain some of our dillusional thinking: The older I get, the faster I was...and...an LS7'd Gen-5 Camaro WILL arrive, just you wait 'n see!
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Apparently, a 1LE out-tracks a BOSS and gives fits/exceeds the BOSS LS...let alone a Track Pack GT of similar pricing to the 1LE.

Wanna spend $40-ish, and wanna have the quickest way around VIR? 1LE.

Wanna spend under-$50 for the same car with a SEMA Show attached? Good Luck with that...

BTW, the "true believers", here, would like to think they had some input into the realization of the Z/28. Most of us are older folk, with decent discretionary income. Not saddled with student loans 'n such. Empty nesters...and, therefore sometimes, empty garagers...

The "true Beliebers"? The Z/28 is NOT Justin time...

Before the "Old Timers" disease sets in, we'd like to maintain some of our dillusional thinking: The older I get, the faster I was...and...an LS7'd Gen-5 Camaro WILL arrive, just you wait 'n see!
You're wisdom and knowledge is just astounding. I always look forward to your posts. I wish I had a tenth of what you know....someday Are you in need of an apprentice?
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...and from this Section came "concerted input", which has now come to fruition...

Again, welcome.

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Lol, I didn't read the posts before when I posted that. Now I see where your post came from
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Uhh? I said nothing about the Corvette i don't think. However, I did mention the LFA and 458.

458 Italia: 7:32.92 or 7:38.00

Lexus LFA: 7:38.00 or 7:38.85

No doubt the Z/28 has a chance at approaching those two.

I mentioned the 458 Italia and LFA due to the VIR Lightning Lap Times:
4.1 Miles
1. 458 Italia : 2:49.9 ($333,000)
2. Lexus LFA : 2:55.1 ($380,000)
3. Camaro ZL1 : 2:57.5 ($59,000)

So, For $300,000 cheaper, you can out track a Lexus LFA in a Z/28. Listening to what I'm saying now?

If the Z/28 shed 3 seconds off Milford's 2.9mi (could be wrong about the length) road coarse.... Just saying.
you mentioned possibly faster than a ZR1
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Apparently, a 1LE out-tracks a BOSS and gives fits/exceeds the BOSS LS...let alone a Track Pack GT of similar pricing to the 1LE.

Wanna spend $40-ish, and wanna have the quickest way around VIR? 1LE.

Wanna spend under-$50 for the same car with a SEMA Show attached? Good Luck with that...

BTW, the "true believers", here, would like to think they had some input into the realization of the Z/28. Most of us are older folk, with decent discretionary income. Not saddled with student loans 'n such. Empty nesters...and, therefore sometimes, empty garagers...

The "true Beliebers"? The Z/28 is NOT Justin time...

Before the "Old Timers" disease sets in, we'd like to maintain some of our dillusional thinking: The older I get, the faster I was...and...an LS7'd Gen-5 Camaro WILL arrive, just you wait 'n see!
um what?

so you are either old enough to remember the original Z/28s or you listen to Justin Beiber? Got it
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the ZR1 has been around the ring a couple times, depending on the driver, the ZL1 did match a time set by the ZR1 based on information on wiki.
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um what?

so you are either old enough to remember the original Z/28s or you listen to Justin Beiber? Got it
I think this Z/28 is gonna sell like hot-cakes...(to three or four people so far, anyways...lol)....
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um what?

so you are either old enough to remember the original Z/28s
Owned a '68 in '69. Any more questions? "So here's my number. Call me, maybe?!"

[You knew The Biebs helped Carly Rae Jepsen launch her career, eh?]

BTW, the Belieber reference was for those "of an age", baby-baby, who protest the Z/28's pricing...while anxiously awaiting a diecast version to arrive, in lieu of having a valid driver's license and/or the wherewithal regardless of final pricing...which BTW is still sometime off into the future...

As mentioned earlier, if you're truly considering a $40ish expenditure, and want the most VIR-friendly NEW 4-seater at that price, 1LE is the one for thee... In fact, for '14, it's really your ONLY choice. Bye-Bye BOSS.
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I think this Z/28 is gonna sell like hot-cakes...(to three or four people so far, anyways...lol)....
Make that 5 people i am moving some land and buying this bad boy.
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Make that 5 people i am moving some land and buying this bad boy.
Ofer, you should have the price of this thing down to a gnat's-ass!...lol...
What's the problem?...lol...

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What's the problem?...lol...

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Owned a '68 in '69. Any more questions? "So here's my number. Call me, maybe?!"

[You knew The Biebs helped Carly Rae Jepsen launch her career, eh?]

BTW, the Belieber reference was for those "of an age", baby-baby, who protest the Z/28's pricing...while anxiously awaiting a diecast version to arrive, in lieu of having a valid driver's license and/or the wherewithal regardless of final pricing...which BTW is still sometime off into the future...

As mentioned earlier, if you're truly considering a $40ish expenditure, and want the most VIR-friendly NEW 4-seater at that price, 1LE is the one for thee... In fact, for '14, it's really your ONLY choice. Bye-Bye BOSS.
I agree with the 1LE and the more i research the more i think this is the way i will go.

If I had to have the Z/28 even at 70k i could walk into a dealership and drive one home. Im not scoffing at the price because I can't afford it. I am doing so because the price (for me atleast) to build a 69 Z/28 comes out to about 60k. At this point do I go new or do I build one for myself?

I already have a 55 Bel Air with a big block for drag racing duties. I am looking for an all around car now.

As for your Bieber/Jespen references - I was driving home with Slayer's Season in the Abyss in my CD player. I don't care for the bubble gum music and honestly the fact that you know about some of this stuff is well kind of creepy
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GM publically announced that the 2014 Z/28 is going to be the most expensive Camaro ever offered.

So with that in mind, leaving the 2013 COPO base model at $86,000 out of this to appease most here...

I just went over to Chevy.com and here is the current most expensive Camaro offered, the 2013 ZL1 Vert.

Look below, see where is says Total MSRP $69,565 ???

Now Z/28 fans, start from above this number as GM has made it clear that the Z/28 is going to be even more.

What part of "most expensive Camaro ever offered" don't ya get ??? LOL !!!
You can't use the most optioned ZL-1 as a starting point. Everyone knows you don't compare things like this. What they're stating is it'll be more expensive than the MSRP of $54,995 base priced ZL-1. $60-64,995 for the Z/28. Out the door, $70k

It's a Chevrolet. Not a corvette, not a Cadillac not Mercedes or Porsche or BMW. Chevrolet equates to value. $70-80k as MSRP is utterly ridiculous.
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