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Old 04-21-2013, 04:07 PM   #86
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Are they going to offer the Build your own Z/28 camaro engine at GM's Performance Build Center, that is a $6000 upgrade.
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Old 04-21-2013, 04:14 PM   #87
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The current most expensive Camaro costs $69,565. That's right now, today. How can the Z/28 be both the most expensive Camaro EVER, and at the same time be less than the most optioned ZL-1 ? That would make the ZL-1 Vert the "MOST EXPENSIVE CAMARO EVER" and would mean that GM is just blowing smoke when they publicly say otherwise?

So even though GM states that the Z/28 will be the most expensive Camaro ever, you're saying that the Z/28 is going to be $5 to $10K less than the currently most expensive Camaro?

Lots of wishful pricing logic and daydreaming going on around here. Good luck to all that are truely going to attempt to get one.
Not to mention those are '13 prices....'14s will probably be bumped up even more....
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Old 04-21-2013, 04:18 PM   #88
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Are they going to offer the Build your own Z/28 camaro engine at GM's Performance Build Center, that is a $6000 upgrade.
Probably...Plus another 2k if you wait... 4K if you watch...6K if you help....lol....
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The current most expensive Camaro costs $69,565. That's right now, today. How can the Z/28 be both the most expensive Camaro EVER, and at the same time be less than the most optioned ZL-1 ? That would make the ZL-1 Vert the "MOST EXPENSIVE CAMARO EVER" and would mean that GM is just blowing smoke when they publicly say otherwise?

So even though GM states that the Z/28 will be the most expensive Camaro ever, you're saying that the Z/28 is going to be $5 to $10K less than the currently most expensive Camaro?

Lots of wishful pricing logic and daydreaming going on around here. Good luck to all that are truely going to attempt to get one.
First, theyre different cars. When a dealership tells you the price of a vehicle, they DO NOT give you the most optioned price of the vehicle. NO DEALERSHIP does this. They go off of the BASE price. GO to a dealership and ask them the price of a ZL-1. Dont ask them about this or that option! Ask them the price of the ZL-1. Its $54,995. $10000 over that price is a SIGNIFICANT increase over the car. If this car is $70k+, production will be 600 tops. Im not saying youre wrong. It may be true, but if thats case, theyre not selling many AT ALL! If I was to spend that amount of money, I can find a vehicle that would match it AND be an excellent street car. Those parts added, youre paying a HUGE premium on them if thats the case. The car wont be worth that much IMO. But if thats the case, 75+% will be garage queens. Morons buying them up as an investment. Hardly an investment.

BASE for BASE, the Z/28 will be the MOST EXPENSIVE CAMARO TO DATE!

The COPOs are going for $150000+ right now. in 20 yrs they wont be worth that. I believe these cars will be like baseball cards. Once were good money, now you can pick em up for peanuts. Once thebaby boomers are gone, the price will fall dramatically.
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First, theyre different cars. When a dealership tells you the price of a vehicle, they DO NOT give you the most optioned price of the vehicle. NO DEALERSHIP does this. They go off of the BASE price. GO to a dealership and ask them the price of a ZL-1. Dont ask them about this or that option! Ask them the price of the ZL-1. Its $54,995. $10000 over that price is a SIGNIFICANT increase over the car. If this car is $70k+, production will be 600 tops. Im not saying youre wrong. It may be true, but if thats case, theyre not selling many AT ALL! If I was to spend that amount of money, I can find a vehicle that would match it AND be an excellent street car. Those parts added, youre paying a HUGE premium on them if thats the case. The car wont be worth that much IMO. But if thats the case, 75+% will be garage queens. Morons buying them up as an investment. Hardly an investment.

BASE for BASE, the Z/28 will be the MOST EXPENSIVE CAMARO TO DATE!

The COPOs are going for $150000+ right now. in 20 yrs they wont be worth that. I believe these cars will be like baseball cards. Once were good money, now you can pick em up for peanuts. Once thebaby boomers are gone, the price will fall dramatically.
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Are they going to offer the Build your own Z/28 camaro engine at GM's Performance Build Center, that is a $6000 upgrade.
No mention of that yet.
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Base for Base....probably a good rule of thumb for different models that have similar upgrades available...Don't think it applies to a Base Z/28, because there will be no such thing...It is "optioned" out to the max as is.
A/C option for Z/28?...Don't think that will qualify to make the car without it the "Base" Z/28 model....

If GM had said..."The base Z/28 is the highest price base model Camaro ever..." perhaps you would have a point...
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Base for Base....probably a good rule of thumb for different models that have similar upgrades available...Don't think it applies to a Base Z/28, because there will be no such thing...It is "optioned" out to the max as is.
A/C option for Z/28?...Don't think that will qualify to make the car without it the "Base" Z/28 model....

If GM had said..."The base Z/28 is the highest price base model Camaro ever..." perhaps you would have a point...
I'm basing my assumption that whenever GM talks about pricing, it's always reflective of base price, no matter what model it is. That's why you see little captions at the bottom of photographs that signify what that model was optioned out when tested.

The Z/28 will have a base price because it has a starting point like any other model. If you add the optional A/C, then that increases the price, no?
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I'm basing my assumption that whenever GM talks about pricing, it's always reflective of base price, no matter what model it is. That's why you see little captions at the bottom of photographs that signify what that model was optioned out when tested.

The Z/28 will have a base price because it has a starting point like any other model. If you add the optional A/C, then that increases the price, no?
I just don't see this car as being in the same game as the rest of the line-up at all....When they use the words "expensive" and "most expensive ever" to describe one of their own cars, I think all bets are off...

There will be no Z/28 advertised with disclaimer of "$_______ as shown" to avoid false advertising....
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I just don't see this car as being in the same game as the rest of the line-up at all....When they use the words "expensive" and "most expensive ever" to describe one of their own cars, I think all bets are off...

There will be no Z/28 advertised with disclaimer of "$_______ as shown" to avoid false advertising....
I find it hard to believe it'll be the same as the difference between a ZR-1 & Z06. Could be! But my question is: why not buy a Vette? The camaro won't outdo a Z06 I don't think right?
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I find it hard to believe it'll be the same as the difference between a ZR-1 & Z06. Could be! But my question is: why not buy a Vette? The camaro won't outdo a Z06 I don't think right?
I'm sure many will base what they buy on many factors that they weigh for why they want a particular car....I don't think the Z/28 is a threat to the Corvette, regardless of how it's priced or how it performs...or vice-versa...
...That it's being debated in the same arena as the Vette I think is a plus for the Z/28...Whether they price it based on what a comparable Vette is, who knows....But it shows it's in high-dollar territory, that's for sure...
and there's a lot more to the Z/28 than just another step-up in the Camaro line....
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But here's my thing comparing to the Z06, you produced this car to run circles around and compete with many others. Those that race, wouldn't they just buy the Vette and upgrade its components a little to race at the competition the Z/28 is up against? After all, the Vette is in the same races no? I understand they built it with passion and to compete with upper class and annihilate the rest. I get that. But I think they're building it more for nastalgic reasons than just a race car.

Perhaps that may be why they'll ask big money for it?
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But here's my thing comparing to the Z06, you produced this car to run circles around and compete with many others. Those that race, wouldn't they just buy the Vette and upgrade its components a little to race at the competition the Z/28 is up against? After all, the Vette is in the same races no? I understand they built it with passion and to compete with upper class and annihilate the rest. I get that. But I think they're building it more for nastalgic reasons than just a race car.
I can't speak for the circuit race guys what they would prefer and why...
But I think they actually built it the other way...For race car reasons, not just nostalgia. The Z/28 does have nostalgia appeal, and a Camaro race enthusiast, purist, "purpose built" (for racing) design.

If anything GM has made no bones about what the car is meant for, and why it was built that way...

Nostalgia wise, racing and "...a sub-set that actually race" got the purpose built car they wanted......not just some nostalgic knock-off for over-all sales appeal...If it were some sort of racing "poser", I'd say you are right...But I don't think you can look at Corvette's to make that assumption and I don't think that's the case with the Z/28...The real race-guys would sniff that out in a heart-beat...

Yeah, big money for sure....anything purpose built, limited production, serious racing, has got big dollar signs all over it....Just because it's a Chevy that isn't gonna make racing all that less expensive over-all that I can see... All good...It's not my cup of tea, all too rich for my blood for sure...Not sure if I'd buy one even if the price was 40K...lol...For the big dog, a ZL-1 is looking better and better all the time for me...

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I find it hard to believe it'll be the same as the difference between a ZR-1 & Z06. Could be! But my question is: why not buy a Vette? The camaro won't outdo a Z06 I don't think right?
Zl1 and z06 are already neck and neck on the ring.

When the c6 z06 first came out it posted a 7:43.

Zl1 7:41

The corvette isn't SOOO much better than the camaro, even though on paper it may seems so..

1le even beat the grand sport around VIR iirc.

A lot of people seem to think this car was made just to somehow bring that badge back.

The z/28 REALLY is a car for people to track, even with the z06 available for similar price. GM is serious about this car, and it WILL perform. Just watch...
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Boris, you're showing a propensity for jumping to unfounded and terribly inaccurate conclusions...and a sense of close-mindedness, that I perceive as "unworldly" and intolerant.

What's my age? Might I be a grandfather? Of tween/teenaged grandchildren? Who listen to what?

Nothing creepy about me, in this regard. You might consider broadening your horizons a smidgeon. It's a pretty cool world, just beyond your "fenceline"...

Wow just wow.

1st - I don't care who you are or what you do. But you came out and made the assumption "that I am waiting for the die cast model" because I could not afford the Z/28 at a 70k price tag.

2nd - You also assumed that my stock was paid out in pesos or some other bull shit. Sorry once again I never provided any background on my financial situation nor do i plan to other than I can swing for a 60-70k Z/28 if I really wanted.

3rd - Now I am close minded even though in my current situation I am looking for a fun, streetable, and track worthy car. The Z/28 fits. I am also looking at Z06/ZR1s (used) or 911 Turbos (also used) or a C7 (new) but for some reason it is an apples to oranges comparison? How so? They all fit the bill and are priced about the same. I don't care about warranty I just wanted a car that came from the factory and ready to tear up a track. So how is it close minded cross shopping brands new and used?

4th - Intolerant? How? When? I don't like bubble gum music never have..well i did have an MC Hammer tape when I was in 4th grade

So let me clear this up - you have been nothing short of a world class penis to just about all of my posts in the Z/28 forum. Fine it makes you look like a good old fashion dick. Personally I don't care I will most likely never meet you and do not really care to either. I came here to learn some more on the Z/28 and newer refresh 2014 Camaros. I have no brand loyalty but I am very happy GM built this sweet car. I do have my reservations about how they did it (and reading other posts i don't think i am the only one) but that won't stop me from having it if I truly desire.

You also stated that they just will be limited because they just can't make them but i have read a few places now saying GM will make them if you want them. Sooooo which is it?
The first 2 years of the Z06 were 6000 and 8000 cars sold and those were more than 70k each.

With no more Z06 or ZR1 for 2014 the door is open for the Z/28 to be the king of Chevy performance cars. Well if this is true, I can see at least 3000 of these cars being sold. What is the limit that you seem to be so sure of? Do you actually know or are you trying to make an educated guess like me? Until all the info is released it is all speculation. Don't get all butt hurt because my opinion is different than yours.
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Zl1 and z06 are already neck and neck on the ring.

When the c6 z06 first came out it posted a 7:43.

Zl1 7:41

The corvette isn't SOOO much better than the camaro, even though on paper it may seems so..

1le even beat the grand sport around VIR iirc.

A lot of people seem to think this car was made just to somehow bring that badge back.

The z/28 REALLY is a car for people to track, even with the z06 available for similar price. GM is serious about this car, and it WILL perform. Just watch...
the Z07 package on a Z06 went 7.22 and the ZR1 went 7.19. I am thinking the Z/28 could be a low 7.30s car (very respectable) especially for a "muscle/pony" car.

I would like to see how close the C7 and Z/28 are to each other.
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correct me if i am wrong but isnt the ls7 a hand built engine? also isnt it an engine they cant mass produce do to being hand built AND the government regs, cafe epa blah blah blah? so there can only be so many ls7 sold in this country without screwin up their averages.

also as a car enthusiast i am happy the z28 is being produced even if only for one year. i am happy it isnt like what they did to the z28 in the 4th gen.
i am unpleased but not unhappy about the price point. i was out as soon as it didnt have an auto option but the price made it to where i wouldnt buy it then throw 10 grand at a transmission so i could drive it. if it really is going to be more than a zl1 i would rather buy a awd car and dump half the price of a zl1 and be the baddest car on the track. shit imagine what you could do with an mr2 and 40 grand?

i hope people drive these cars but i fear and think it will end up in a lot of old guys garages with a bubble around it.

for all the guys comparing a camaro to a corvette its border line absurd.
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