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Old 04-19-2013, 05:56 PM   #51
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I heard the automatics don't have it, but I've been wrong before (see above!).
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:10 PM   #52
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There's a new HSA thread every week, and I'm glad. GM needs to be aware of how much heartburn there is over this issue. I'm hoping that the fact you can't turn it off was just an oversight and they will fix it for all '13 M6 owners.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:19 PM   #53
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I heard the automatics don't have it, but I've been wrong before (see above!).
The auto camaros may not but my 1500 silverado sure does and it's auto. The 3500 does not have it. Both 2012s.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:31 PM   #54
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I just got a Ram R/T about a month ago and I did not know it has the hill assist. Works perfect but I can turn it off it I want to.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:42 PM   #55
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The auto camaros may not but my 1500 silverado sure does and it's auto. The 3500 does not have it. Both 2012s.
All Silverados should have it, including 1-tons (except for dually models). I believe it's a towing consideration as it is usually advertised alongside trailer sway control and auto grade braking.

I don't plan on using that generous 1,000 lbs trailering capacity on my Camaro, so I don't really think I need HSA
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:13 PM   #56
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All Silverados should have it, including 1-tons (except for dually models). I believe it's a towing consideration as it is usually advertised alongside trailer sway control and auto grade braking.

I don't plan on using that generous 1,000 lbs trailering capacity on my Camaro, so I don't really think I need HSA

this.

when your towing a boat or something real heavy behind you, it is a huge advantage to not roll backwards on hills.
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:37 PM   #57
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I would caution a little against harshly bashing HSA in Camaros...I know it's a nuisance for many...

...But in today's world of "Safety" on the road, the solution to this may not be eliminating HSA or improving it, rather the powers that be will think that manual transmissions in passenger cars need to be eliminated...as the "problem" is rolling backwards on a hill...and the best way to "fix" this would be to not have manual transmissions available in the future...
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Old 04-20-2013, 07:42 PM   #58
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It's not the fact that the Camaro has a HSA system that's the big problem here, it is its current non-defeatable implementation. And that deserves every bit of criticism thrown its way.

Most folks here would be completely satisfied with a way to turn it all the way off either as the default setting (as can currently be done in at least some Fords and Dodges) or as driver-switchable between fully off and on while driving (as it is in at least the 2010 Subaru Legacy). I know I'd be happy.

This is not a big request.

A big request would be to ask all the busy-bodies who are trying to micro-manage our driving all the way down to this level to go find another occupation.


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Old 04-20-2013, 07:59 PM   #59
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It's not the fact that the Camaro has a HSA system that's the big problem here, it is its current non-defeatable implementation. And that deserves every bit of criticism thrown its way.

Most folks here would be completely satisfied with a way to turn it all the way off either as the default setting (as can currently be done in at least some Fords and Dodges) or as driver-switchable between fully off and on while driving (as it is in at least the 2010 Subaru Legacy). I know I'd be happy.

This is not a big request.

A big request would be to ask all the busy-bodies who are trying to micro-manage our driving all the way down to this level to go find another occupation.


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Norm, I posted up earlier that an improvement on this HSA is going to be made for the '14s...Saw it in a thread or it was an interview with the re-fresh thing...Can't seem to find it now...lol..

...Anyway, if it's a re-programming thing, it might be do-able on the 13s once they figure it out....
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Old 04-20-2013, 08:00 PM   #60
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when your towing a boat or something real heavy behind you, it is a huge advantage to not roll backwards on hills.
I've towed over 10k lbs every day for 11 years. I've been fine without it this long. I usually drive my powerstroke or cummins so its incredibly annoying to hop in the Chevy and be like wtf mate why won't it go. I drove the 3500 and it does have but it doesn't work as harshly as the 1500. Seems to apply less I guess you could say. It still rolls backwards just slow for the 2 seconds. If I could turn it off I would without a doubt.
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Old 04-20-2013, 08:16 PM   #61
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Norm, I posted up earlier that an improvement on this HSA is going to be made for the '14s...Saw it in a thread or it was an interview with the re-fresh thing...Can't seem to find it now...lol..

...Anyway, if it's a re-programming thing, it might be do-able on the 13s once they figure it out....
I saw something in a thread, and that it was NOT going to be available as a backfit to the 2013. That doesn't mean that an electronic tweak is impossible.


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Just saw a thread from a guy who figured out a way to "dis-able" HSA...then his thread mysteriously disappeared...lol...????...oh, well...
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:09 AM   #63
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HSA is doable but it sucks...

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Old 04-22-2013, 12:03 PM   #64
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I have a 13 and its truly a NUSANCE, it locks the wheel in both directions, so as the OP explains your trying to go but the system locks everthing when it releases you get spin, i and feels like your jerking the car
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:01 PM   #65
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I obviously dont have HSA on my 2012 Camaro. I do have it on my '13 Shelby GT500. I am in E.TN with lots of hills. It works flawlessly and can be turned off by owner.
I like it !
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:53 AM   #66
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I obviously dont have HSA on my 2012 Camaro. I do have it on my '13 Shelby GT500. I am in E.TN with lots of hills. It works flawlessly and can be turned off by owner.
I like it !
It works differently in the Mustang.
You'd no doubt hate it on your Camaro
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:05 AM   #67
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A few complaints concerning HSA have surfaced on the Mustang forums - I copied the procedure for turning it off from one forum and pasted it to a thread on another forum only yesterday.

But it's nothing like the commotion that goes on here. Not even close.


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Old 04-30-2013, 02:27 AM   #68
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I apologize for resurecting an old thread. Every google search I attempt leads me back to Camaro5 and a handful of threads of 2013 owners who want to know how to disable or remove this 'feature'.
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I was unaware HSA even existed until I stalled on a hill because of it and was almost love tapped from behind. I don't need this. I want to turn it off.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:55 AM   #69
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ok this is what you do (dont really take my advise unless ur a bada$$ like me) when the cop pulls you over, act drunk...when he ask you to step out, you get out, cock back your strong hand and chop him in the throat for wasting your time.

or option number 2 (my personal favorite) Show that mother F'er how you drive and what a camaro can do...Because i bet he is either in a crown vic or that 4 door wanna be muscle car, whats that thing called...hmmmm, o yea the charger (honestly what was dodge thinking?) and we all know how good pigs drive...and fly...and if your a cop and this offends you just calm down its a joke but if you pull me over be ready to get a judo chop lol
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Well that's probably not a good answer, 45th. Violence doesn't solve hill brake assist problems.
The hill brake on my 83 subaru station wagon worked very well. It released as soon as you let the clutch off and away you went. Do I need help with this? Not really. I drove the car for 3 years before I found a great subaru mechanic who saw that it wasn't working and fixed it for me. Did it change how I drove? Not really, but it was a cool feature. If you roll back into someone on a hill it's their fault anyway for being too close.
I've never gotten to drive the Camaro with hill brake but it sounds like they didn't quite get it right.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:58 AM   #71
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This is a way old post let it DIE...........................
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Maybe the single incident is old news.

But the larger issues that it raises - either failure to recognize the unintended consequences of HSA in non-defeatable form at all or to assign proper importance to them if they were in fact considered - is more than enough reason for it to keep floating back to the top.


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Old 05-01-2013, 05:54 PM   #73
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I didn't realize one week was an old thread or incident
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:44 AM   #74
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So glad I have a '12. I like that you've been driving stick 15 more yrs than the cop. I'm in that same position. First vehicle I really drove was a WW2 Wyllis surplus "Jeep". Clutch, not really, find 'em and grind 'em. That started when I was 10 years old, only off road of course. Other jeeps and manual trucks throughout the years, riding motorcycles will teach you about how a clutch really works too. And of course I didn't start driving on the roads until I was old enough, 14. Even though 15 is learner's permit age in Alabama, my dad wanted us to have had plenty of experience by the time we turned 16 and could drive on our own. He even conducted emergency handling "classes" in his Caddy Fleetwood. Took me out in the rain in an empty parking lot and taught me how to slide that thing up and down safely. Sorry, off topic

I don't even hardly ever use the E brake unless it's a stout hill. But yeah, no room for hill assist in a car I own. I know you guys that have it can't, or maybe don't want to yet, mess with your tune and mess up your warranty, but I wonder if a tuner could take care of it for you. Thing is by the time you run your warranty out you'll be so used to it if that is the only car you drive all the time.
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