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Old 05-03-2013, 11:35 AM   #26
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Why don't you invest in a driving school? The Spring Mountain Ron Fellows/Corvette school would be great?

Here you go: http://www.springmountainmotorsports...riving-schools

The skills learned will last a lifetime and you don't have to feel left out of the conversation on here.
Actually, now that you mention it, Porsche is building a new facility in the City of Carson here in SoCal...Not sure what all the details are, so far it's like a driving skills facility for new Porsche owners and what-not...Not sure if it will have any offerings for the general public yet....It's under construction now...May look there in the not too distant future...
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:43 AM   #27
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^, yes thats correct....3.91 rear axle gear ratio, and with 19'' square tire set-up over the 3.73 rear axle gear ratio<standard trans> and 20" tires on the ZL1, with lower fifth and sixth gear's, it's going to be much more of a gear jammer and selective in keeping in the power band for the layout at hand. It's going to be a shifting, high winding wheel mans car for sure...
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:57 AM   #28
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FWIW I was playing with my EFI live and recorded a 0-60 time of 4.2 with my cam headers and intake on my 11SS, and I'm far from skilled when it comes to launching. I would think the lighter Z28 would have no problem matching it with bigger tires and lighter weight.

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3.91, same as 1LE
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Actually, now that you mention it, Porsche is building a new facility in the City of Carson here in SoCal...Not sure what all the details are, so far it's like a driving skills facility for new Porsche owners and what-not...Not sure if it will have any offerings for the general public yet....It's under construction now...May look there in the not too distant future...
Porsche Sport Driving School in Leeds Alabama is superb, I would recommend it to anyone seeking to learn high-performance driving skills. I've yet to hear if the new SoCal facility will be available to non-Porsche owners (PSDS welcomes everyone), but I would think that it would.
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:04 PM   #30
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POWER-TESTING THE FINAL PRODUCT
Livernois Motorsports is experienced at building all kinds of LS engines for street
and racing applications. The company likes the LS7 as a wet-sump engine
because it makes just as much power throughout the rpm band as the stock
dret-sump, installs anywhere a normal LS V-8 engine would go, and has incredible
street cred. The wet-sump LS7 is not for customers wanting a track-ready Pro
Touring car—in that case, the dry-sump version of the LS7 is ideal.
Note: Power numbers are all corrected using correctionf factor SAE J607 (29.92
Hg, 60 degrees F, dry air) and testing was performed with the GM Performance
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ENGINE SPEED DRY-SUMP WET-SUMP
RPM LB-FT HP LB-FT HP
2,800 438.5 233.8 439.3 234.2
2,900 434.9 240.1 437.9 241.8
3,000 431.4 246.4 438.1 250.3
3,100 437.2 258.0 441.8 260.8
3,200 444.0 270.5 447.9 272.9
3,300 450.1 282.8 454.0 285.3
3,400 452.0 292.6 456.6 295.6
3,500 454.6 302.9 457.8 305.1
3,600 457.0 313.3 460.5 315.6
3,700 464.3 327.1 468.8 330.2
3,800 469.6 339.7 473.1 342.3
3,900 475.2 352.9 483.0 358.6
4,000 480.6 366.0 486.6 370.6
4,100 490.5 382.9 490.3 382.7
4,200 493.4 394.6 498.5 398.7
4,300 495.0 405.3 499.7 409.1
4,400 502.0 421.0 506.9 424.6
4,500 506.6 434.1 508.0 435.3
4,600 509.7 446.4 514.8 450.9
4,700 513.5 459.5 519.5 464.9
4,800 511.5 467.5 518.0 473.4
4,900 514.7 480.2 520.6 485.7
5,000 514.3 489.6 515.5 490.8
5,100 513.8 499.0 520.6 505.0
5,200 510.1 505.1 514.5 509.4
5,300 511.9 516.6 509.0 513.6
5,400 505.2 519.5 508.6 522.9
5,500 506.9 530.8 508.6 532.7
5,600 504.4 537.8 508.7 537.0
5,700 497.9 540.4 501.3 544.0
5,800 493.9 545.5 493.2 544.7
5,900 487.3 547.5 483.6 543.2
6,000 481.3 549.8 485.3 554.4
6,100 477.9 555.0 473.8 550.3
6,200 465.7 549.8 467.3 551.7
6,300 461.8 554.0 460.8 552.7
6,400 450.7 549.3 453.6 552.7
6,500 443.1 548.4 444.0 549.5
6,600 435.1 546.8 435.1 546.8
6,700 426.0 543.5 425.3 542.6
6,800 417.0 539.8 417.8 541.0
6,900 403.8 530.5 407.7 535.6
7,000 395.8 527.5 404.3 538.9
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^...I particularily liked the part......"has incredible street cred"....
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:09 PM   #32
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Re: patience. Nowhere else on this forum will you find a more patient bunch the the ZEE-lievers...

Re: gearing. Speeds in gears for the Z/28 and the 1LE should be close to the same. The ZEE has more revs, but shorter tires.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:35 PM   #34
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Base starts@ $63K. June issue of Motortrends
That will be a good price to come in at, but i think 10K more or 20K more is likely the rear price, will know more soon.
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$73K or $83K? Not a chance.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:31 AM   #36
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$73K or $83K? Not a chance.
I hope your wright but only time will tell, one guy told me his salesman said it was only 47K i told him at that price they will sale all the cars they can make.
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I'm still guessing under $60K
And i hope your 100% wright, but ready for up to 100K
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I think the MSRP is going to be reasonable for the Z28 but am quite certain that dealerships will mark them up substantially just as they have done with the introduction of a new model. It is for this reason that I typically wait a year or so when purchasing the Camaro model I want. Not to mention that refinements are usually forth coming during this time. Given the number of Camaro's that have been sold, there should not be many refinements.
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I think the MSRP is going to be reasonable for the Z28 but am quite certain that dealerships will mark them up substantially just as they have done with the introduction of a new model. It is for this reason that I typically wait a year or so when purchasing the Camaro model I want. Not to mention that refinements are usually forth coming during this time. Given the number of Camaro's that have been sold, there should not be many refinements.
On this car i dont think you have more then 1 or 2 model years, the LS7 will not be here past the 2015 model, IMO.
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GM's been doing the same thing over and over building the perception of value at a higher price then surprising us all with even higher value at a lower price. Examples; ZL1 was guessed to be high $60K's to $70K's, the C7 guessed at over $60K base...
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Old 05-06-2013, 06:24 AM   #43
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GM's been doing the same thing over and over building the perception of value at a higher price then surprising us all with even higher value at a lower price. Examples; ZL1 was guessed to be high $60K's to $70K's, the C7 guessed at over $60K base...
True, but theyre still testing the car out. Not to mention, still a yr before this car comes out and with finding ways to eliminate weight; the more weight it loses, the more the price will go UP! If they use ANY carbon fiber body parts, the price will really soar.
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They just MIGHT be able to pull this off at $59,900 which would be pretty awesome if they can do it. I know a C7 with Z51 and NPP exhaust is over $58k but that also has a full Bose sound system and A/C. The Z/28 won't have those but it does have the very expensive tires which the C7 doesn't. If those just offset each other cost-wise there's a chance they can bring the Z/28 in at $59,900. Destination charges would have to be extra but for marketing purposes $59,900 would be very attractive to track guys.

I wonder if they're using a 1-piece driveshaft? They haven't said anything about clutch yet either have they? It's going to be interesting to see what kind of rwhp this thing is going to have.
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I posted over a year ago that the Z/28 will have the 427 small block if it comes out as a 5th gen..... and all I got was trashed by everyone saying no way, ever. I believe the Z/28 will be in the $50,000+ range and just about everyone says no way. I hope I am right again!!! Then I'd be able to afford one. $60k and over, no way will I buy one and my '69 really does need a stable mate.
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I posted over a year ago that the Z/28 will have the 427 small block if it comes out as a 5th gen..... and all I got was trashed by everyone saying no way, ever. I believe the Z/28 will be in the $50,000+ range and just about everyone says no way. I hope I am right again!!! Then I'd be able to afford one. $60k and over, no way will I buy one and my '69 really does need a stable mate.
I think a year ago everybody was in pretty much agreement with the 427 sbc motor for the Z/28. I went back and checked your posts and didn't see anybody flaming you for it, actually had 2cndchance agree with you on having the 427 motor for the Z/28.

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GM's been doing the same thing over and over building the perception of value at a higher price then surprising us all with even higher value at a lower price. Examples; ZL1 was guessed to be high $60K's to $70K's, the C7 guessed at over $60K base...
I think the difference is that GM cared how many C7s and ZL1s it sold and did some stuff to keep cost in check. The Z/28 is so utterly uncompromising that I don't think GM cares whether it sells 10 or 1000. The tires, the brakes, the engine, the bodywork, the glass, etc., all that stuff is specific to the Z/28. It adds up if you can't share any of the R&D costs with other cars in the lineup. That's why I think it'll end up being $70-80K, unless GM plans to take a loss on every Z/28 it sells...
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I think the difference is that GM cared how many C7s and ZL1s it sold and did some stuff to keep cost in check. The Z/28 is so utterly uncompromising that I don't think GM cares whether it sells 10 or 1000. The tires, the brakes, the engine, the bodywork, the glass, etc., all that stuff is specific to the Z/28. It adds up if you can't share any of the R&D costs with other cars in the lineup. That's why I think it'll end up being $70-80K, unless GM plans to take a loss on every Z/28 it sells...
They're not going to trash their whole business model of higher value vehicles by offering the Z/28 at a very high price. Yes they have to cover cost, but they'll still want to sell Z/28's. It's already bringing them a TON of attention (even among "never" before considered rival vehicles customers) just as we new it would. It's also made Ford's engineering look inept (read Boss/Boss LS).
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I posted over a year ago that the Z/28 will have the 427 small block if it comes out as a 5th gen..... and all I got was trashed by everyone saying no way, ever. I believe the Z/28 will be in the $50,000+ range and just about everyone says no way. I hope I am right again!!! Then I'd be able to afford one. $60k and over, no way will I buy one and my '69 really does need a stable mate.

I think somebody beat you to that (just a few pages to review)...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149090
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I think the MSRP is going to be reasonable for the Z28 but am quite certain that dealerships will mark them up substantially just as they have done with the introduction of a new model. It is for this reason that I typically wait a year or so when purchasing the Camaro model I want. Not to mention that refinements are usually forth coming during this time. Given the number of Camaro's that have been sold, there should not be many refinements.

I would not be shocked one bit if my local dealer has a 15-20K markup on the car.
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